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GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by weiran »

nsoonhui wrote: post #49
gr_norm wrote: post #22

Even if you don't want to use open models, you should cheer for them anyway because it puts the American frontier labs' feet to the flames. This competition is awesome for us consumers.

I did try to use Chinese open models, but for my production work they simply couldn't cope at all; both GLM 5.3 and Deepseek v4 went into infinite loop and wasted my tokens until my OpenRouter wallet reached 0; good thing I didn't enable the auto topup. US models, by contrast, breezed past them. Even for simpler tasks, Chinese models took long time to complete, and I needed to supervise closely. The price , in the en…

The only way the Chinese models financially make sense is if you use their subs or host it yourself. DSV4 is especially token hungry.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by hiq »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #53
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been using deepseek and it works great for my problems. An expensive day is when I spend $7 in tokens, and that takes lots of queries. Openrouter doesn’t give you the cache discount I think, which is really important.

Why on earth would you use openrouter for this? The cache discount for deepseek is the highest by far, it is the cache that makes the official API so cheap, even after the recent price rise.

I didn't know about this limitation from openrouter, and I thought plenty of users were using it to quickly switch as needed without incurring such a penalty. Why does there seem to be so many users then? Are some folks just fine paying multiples of what they could?

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by euue »

simianwords wrote: post #63
spwa4 wrote: post #62

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OpenAI, Anthropic and Google have also been calling for banning their competition, for years now, especially when they have the gall to use the same tactics as OpenAI itself. For example: https://nypost.com/2026/07/13/business/how-china-is-ripping-... https://www.techbrew.com/stories/openai-anthropic-google-dis... Then Altman and Amodei (Amodei is still at it) were declaring that after illegally training on all books…

You think they reduce prices because lobbying didn’t work? Like the last 100 times they did it? What kind of logic is that? I’m questioning this logical chain. I’m not disputing what you said in essence although the training on books being illegal is laughable.

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Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by euue »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #38
johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #17

discounting your most valuable model 20% today without a better model in the wing ... pushing your API subscriber base towards a competitor with an exclusive 50%, openrouter, the other day ... slashing paying codex subscriber usage limits to the point that many are cancelling long term contracts they've had with the company ... is altman playing 4d chess or something I'm not aware of? because from the outside, each o…

Their margins are already quite high and this is a play to bleed customers from Anthropic, they will of course raise prices after IPO.

lol stop posting about this stuff unless you have insider info.

Revenue recognition, classification of costs, do you know what these are? Doubt it

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by euue »

arlcode wrote: post #33
johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #17

discounting your most valuable model 20% today without a better model in the wing ... pushing your API subscriber base towards a competitor with an exclusive 50%, openrouter, the other day ... slashing paying codex subscriber usage limits to the point that many are cancelling long term contracts they've had with the company ... is altman playing 4d chess or something I'm not aware of? because from the outside, each o…

My personal best case scenario is that LLMs are commodotizing and that the "We'll rule the world with our frontier models" vision of OpenAI and Anthropic is not working out. They can and probably will still be very successful but what they pitched so far is not going to work if their is any meaningful competition not too far behind. But who knows. VC money allows them to try a lot of stuff before their eventual IPO.

What you are seeing is not typical VC money - institutional investors are involved now.

Do any of you here actually know what you’re talking about?

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by irthomasthomas »

hiq wrote: post #72
irthomasthomas wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why on earth would you use openrouter for this? The cache discount for deepseek is the highest by far, it is the cache that makes the official API so cheap, even after the recent price rise.

I didn't know about this limitation from openrouter, and I thought plenty of users were using it to quickly switch as needed without incurring such a penalty. Why does there seem to be so many users then? Are some folks just fine paying multiples of what they could?

I really don't know. It was built before prompt caching was common, and the switching cost was much lower.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by simianwords »

euue wrote: post #74
simianwords wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think they reduce prices because lobbying didn’t work? Like the last 100 times they did it? What kind of logic is that? I’m questioning this logical chain. I’m not disputing what you said in essence although the training on books being illegal is laughable.

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"booster" green account takes part in shitty culture wars but forgets how to apply basic logic.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by surgical_fire »

simianwords wrote: post #69
surgical_fire wrote: post #67

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My point is that it requires a lot of willful blindness to ignore how unprofitable they are, to believe that they are in any way in the position of sustainably lowering prices.

You are wrong and the margins are pretty great on API. Do you want to have a bet when they go public?

I only bet when among friends. Nothing against you, I just do not know you personally.

But I am waiting patiently for their S1. It will provide ample entertainment.

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