TUIs are just a kind of GUI. And rarely a particularly good kind
Stop Making TUIs
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#262built my first serious Mac application
This the first thing if they stop making tuis we linhx users will get slow electron apps
I prefer a tui over an eletron app or even worse not getting any apps at all
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#263No, thanks. I don't want a mere "user" interface, I want a programmer's interface . I don't like the command line because I'm a "unix nerd", I like it because it lets me rapidly cook up little programs and execute them. Here's an example I just pulled out of my shell history: c=3afba1a; reset; laptop "virtdev ssh liblinux -- git -C liblinux format-patch -1 ${c} --stdout" | tee /dev/tty | termux-clipboard-set This hug…
One version of this is "every application is actually a repl with ideas". I do wish the lisp community cared more about GUIs because it feels like there's a huge gap where exactly this sort of extensibility could be merged with precisely the richer sort of visual interaction the article wants.
Re: Stop Making TUIs
#264No, thanks. I don't want a mere "user" interface, I want a programmer's interface . I don't like the command line because I'm a "unix nerd", I like it because it lets me rapidly cook up little programs and execute them. Here's an example I just pulled out of my shell history: c=3afba1a; reset; laptop "virtdev ssh liblinux -- git -C liblinux format-patch -1 ${c} --stdout" | tee /dev/tty | termux-clipboard-set This hug…
That example doesn't use any TUI.
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#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
> To get a good terminal UX, I think the answer to this is probably to throw all that compatibility mess away and redesign a modern terminal protocol that bakes in accessibility, regions, scrolling, selection, proper keyboard, etc. Why not just… a GUI framework or layout that’s meant to be keyboard driven and information dense?
there's a million gui frameworks under the sun and i still haven't found one that feels like what everyone has been asking for: good dx, cross platform, fast, not ugly. pick i dunno 2 or 3. tui's get to check 2 or 3 of these just like any other gui library. somehow there still isn't a silver bullet here. now i personally don't build tuis but guake style dropdown simple command and i have some other thing someone made…
Except web. Which inexplicably got all of these when no one was looking
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HTML/Javascript would like a word
we need a way to access locally running web apps without doing an ugly http://localhost:8022 and having to remember that. I'd say http://localapps should give an overview of all web apps running locally, with links to them. Those links should follow a naming scheme where the hostname ends with `.local` or smth. So: http://claudecode.local
Bring back installable PWA on desktop
Re: Stop Making TUIs
#267No, thanks. I don't want a mere "user" interface, I want a programmer's interface . I don't like the command line because I'm a "unix nerd", I like it because it lets me rapidly cook up little programs and execute them. Here's an example I just pulled out of my shell history: c=3afba1a; reset; laptop "virtdev ssh liblinux -- git -C liblinux format-patch -1 ${c} --stdout" | tee /dev/tty | termux-clipboard-set This hug…
From the article > CLIs have purposes for which they’re irreplaceable. Building a CLI is almost always a good idea. Building a TUI almost never is. You're also arguing for CLIs which are absolutely great. But TUIs provide none of the composability of CLIs nor the malleability of GUIs
It's a fine point if made in isolation, but TUIs tend to be more technical and useful simply because they require using a terminal at all. GUIs tend to be made for the non-technical iPhone audience.
So while I'm not fundamentally opposed to graphics, I'm absolutely opposed to the "average user" culture surrounding it. I don't care about the "normal person", I don't want "user experiences" that hide the computer, I want all of the computer's primitives exposed so that I have full control.
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>So because TUIs look universally bad You can't stay engaged if the menus don't bleep and bloop at you and confetti rains down on every click? That's a personal problem. A minimal UI is not automatically a bad-looking UI.
No, but I want to click to place the cursor in my 10 line prompt wherever I want. I want to double click to mark words. I want to use a scroll bar. I want to copy paste properly and not "23 lines pasted". I don’t want to read docs to find all keystrokes the TUI supports to achieve what I want.
You can handle mouse events in a TUI
Re: Stop Making TUIs
#269No, thanks. I don't want a mere "user" interface, I want a programmer's interface . I don't like the command line because I'm a "unix nerd", I like it because it lets me rapidly cook up little programs and execute them. Here's an example I just pulled out of my shell history: c=3afba1a; reset; laptop "virtdev ssh liblinux -- git -C liblinux format-patch -1 ${c} --stdout" | tee /dev/tty | termux-clipboard-set This hug…
TUIs are not CLI programs though. They're GUIs which render in a terminal
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
What you're comparing is really "keyboard-driven" via "mouse-drive". A GUI can be keyboard-driven and as fast as a TUI. The sad truth is that the status quo for GUIs is absolutely terrible, and most were rushed out and not properly tested to check if they're really usable without a mouse.
Yes, but GUIs are by default mouse driven, very rarely one can see a keyboard driven one (I haven't seen any). And TUIs are only keyboard driven. So the choice for speed if you don't need graphics is always - TUI (or CLI).
A TUI is a GUI.