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Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by __s »

llm_nerd wrote: post #47
lukan wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And maybe the US will learn again, that a great deal is something that people can rely on?

Trump believes everything on this planet is zero sum, and the only way you can benefit is if the other party hurts. His entire history on this planet betrays this, where he is an unreliable scumbag to everyone he has ever dealt with, to the point where the guy couldn't find vendors or a bank outside of Russia to deal with him. And then Americans said "this is the guy we should put in charge". It is a particularly int…

If only things were zero sum stick-in-bicycle meme decision making would benefit others

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by epgui »

nchmy wrote: post #44

Nice to see them putting up a fight. Though I assume this will cause pain for everyone. One note: aren't these sentences strange - like a series of half-thoughts? Especially the 2nd paragraph. > Our government understood, before many, that America is altering all its trade relationships. Putting tariffs on its closest allies and charging for access to its vast market. > > We have worked in that context. To strike a f…

No, it’s just written as speech.

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by eigenspace »

Phelinofist wrote: post #40

Good for Canada, quite a shame the EU folded so easily

The EU didn't really fold, they blew him off. It was just a bunch of "yeah sure Donny, here's a bunch of meaningless promises we have no ability or mechanism to actually enforce". For example they promised to buy a bunch of gas, but the EU has no mechanism to make companies or even member states buy gas.

The only real concession the EU made was just allowing Trump to tariff them at a certain rate, and not counter-tariffing back (with various escape clauses).

While the EU response certainly wasn't a feel-good display of chest thumping, I think it was somewhat effective. He was able to strut around and feel big, and they were able to move on.

The only reason the EU would really want to apply counter tariffs against the USA would be to either make a point, or because they are actually afraid that exports from the USA could outcompete EU products unless tariffed, but this just isn't really the case right now.

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The only form of retailiation I think the EU should actually be pursuing is the equivalent of tariffs on US software. This is the area that the USA is a highly competitive 'exporter', and putting up barriers agaisnt these software services would be a good way to hurt the USA, and protect / stimulate domestic alternatives.

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by jleyank »

Note that these new tariffs are on goods covered by CUSMA, making that treaty inoperative. Pity it’s one Trump signed…

One must stand up to bullies otherwise they’ll keep at it. Until the US population feels the pain the rest of the world has been dealing with, nothing will change.

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by shevy-java »

Trump tries to betray Canadians here. When you make negotiations and then at the last second try to worsen the terms, you are not acting in good faith. This is a consistent theme with Trump: he wants to take advantage of you. This is a de-facto mafia system. The "art of the deal" is the mafia way. You can see this with Iran too - Trump negotiates, then attacks. Then fake-negotiates, attacks again (and loses anyway). The guy is a problem for the whole world.

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by shevy-java »

eigenspace wrote: post #53
Phelinofist wrote: post #40

Good for Canada, quite a shame the EU folded so easily

The EU didn't really fold, they blew him off. It was just a bunch of "yeah sure Donny, here's a bunch of meaningless promises we have no ability or mechanism to actually enforce". For example they promised to buy a bunch of gas, but the EU has no mechanism to make companies or even member states buy gas. The only real concession the EU made was just allowing Trump to tariff them at a certain rate, and not counter-tar…

> The only real concession the EU made was just allowing Trump to tariff them at a certain rate

No. Van der Leyen also promised EU investments into the USA. This is betrayal as well; that money should go into EU countries. Or Canada.

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

nchmy wrote: post #44

Nice to see them putting up a fight. Though I assume this will cause pain for everyone. One note: aren't these sentences strange - like a series of half-thoughts? Especially the 2nd paragraph. > Our government understood, before many, that America is altering all its trade relationships. Putting tariffs on its closest allies and charging for access to its vast market. > > We have worked in that context. To strike a f…

It's a transcription of a spoken speech. The periods between connected clauses are just where Mark Carney paused for a moment.

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by guerrilla »

eigenspace wrote: post #53
Phelinofist wrote: post #40

Good for Canada, quite a shame the EU folded so easily

The EU didn't really fold, they blew him off. It was just a bunch of "yeah sure Donny, here's a bunch of meaningless promises we have no ability or mechanism to actually enforce". For example they promised to buy a bunch of gas, but the EU has no mechanism to make companies or even member states buy gas. The only real concession the EU made was just allowing Trump to tariff them at a certain rate, and not counter-tar…

Not just software but online services. That would help us a lot and is safer anyway.

Re: Canada will match US tariffs 'dollar for dollar' as trade talks break down

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Post by stephbook »

eigenspace wrote: post #53
Phelinofist wrote: post #40

Good for Canada, quite a shame the EU folded so easily

The EU didn't really fold, they blew him off. It was just a bunch of "yeah sure Donny, here's a bunch of meaningless promises we have no ability or mechanism to actually enforce". For example they promised to buy a bunch of gas, but the EU has no mechanism to make companies or even member states buy gas. The only real concession the EU made was just allowing Trump to tariff them at a certain rate, and not counter-tar…

Europe/EU are highly reliant on the US military and these issues are linked.
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