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Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

returnInfinity wrote: post #29

This is a play to grab market share from Claude, But it seems Claude code is too strong of a brand Until the IT managers and CFOs cut budget hard, Claude will live rent free in heads of all developers OpenAI should attack the CIO and CFOs stat At my company we have unlimited codex and claude, still people stick to gimped claude code

I have tried both and I find the Claude models give me much better results. I wish they didn't since Codex is cheaper. For me it's not just branding.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by resters »

gr_norm wrote: post #22

Even if you don't want to use open models, you should cheer for them anyway because it puts the American frontier labs' feet to the flames. This competition is awesome for us consumers.

Yes, thanks for this, Deepseek! (I did start using the Deepseek harness and v4 flash due to the crazy low usage limits on sol and I'm quite pleased to have discovered how capable both of those are -- both have now earned a place in my agentic workflow).

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by bluegatty »

returnInfinity wrote: post #29

This is a play to grab market share from Claude, But it seems Claude code is too strong of a brand Until the IT managers and CFOs cut budget hard, Claude will live rent free in heads of all developers OpenAI should attack the CIO and CFOs stat At my company we have unlimited codex and claude, still people stick to gimped claude code

I switch every 6-10 weeks, because there seems to be a material change in model quality.

I can understand the fatigue - but as of today, for most thing I would say Sol is better.

If the opened up the 1M context in Codex, it would be unrivalled.

Enterprise may have a bit more difficulty context switching. Pun intended.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by t098i3 »

on_the_train wrote: post #40
returnInfinity wrote: post #29

This is a play to grab market share from Claude, But it seems Claude code is too strong of a brand Until the IT managers and CFOs cut budget hard, Claude will live rent free in heads of all developers OpenAI should attack the CIO and CFOs stat At my company we have unlimited codex and claude, still people stick to gimped claude code

What's the deal with anthropic? Their models aren't better. They're just multiple times more expensive. We're about to disable all anthropic models because of the colleagues who waste 15$ on a opus call to write a markdown file.

They were first to offer a frontier model which also meets enterprise requirements (i.e. not training on or retaining on customer data, able to purchase tokens through AWS and GCP instead of having to onboard a new vendor). They did so with a proprietary harness, which creates friction for teams inside enterprises to move (can't just install another harness - your IT org has to approve and configure another harness for you). In particular, they were the first to make their model acceptable for defense contractors, and defense spending is a huge market. (An F-35 costs $30k-40k per hour to run, you think an aerospace company notices $10k of API usage per month?)

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by ThePhysicist »

returnInfinity wrote: post #29

This is a play to grab market share from Claude, But it seems Claude code is too strong of a brand Until the IT managers and CFOs cut budget hard, Claude will live rent free in heads of all developers OpenAI should attack the CIO and CFOs stat At my company we have unlimited codex and claude, still people stick to gimped claude code

Not sure if I do anything wrong but Codex with Sol made such slow progress on my work, I iterated several days to do a redesign of my UI and it kept making small piecemeal changes then stopping and asking me for confirmation again and again even though I tried to get it to get bigger chunks done. Switched to Claude Code and had the redesign done in a short session within a day.

Maybe just the system prompt or my settings or the harness? Anyway, it seemed to me Codex was just deliberately being overcareful and wasting tons of tokens for a low-risk CSS / HTML refactoring with very minor breakage risk, while Claude got the job done immediately.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by louiskottmann »

returnInfinity wrote: post #29

This is a play to grab market share from Claude, But it seems Claude code is too strong of a brand Until the IT managers and CFOs cut budget hard, Claude will live rent free in heads of all developers OpenAI should attack the CIO and CFOs stat At my company we have unlimited codex and claude, still people stick to gimped claude code

Claude really doesn't have that much market share. It's the most expensive by a mile but when you count token market share they're in the low %.

And everyone else is close enough in terms of quality, their tiny advantage if any is insufficient. Let's not even talk speed.

OpenAI is competing with chinese models.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

returnInfinity wrote: post #29

This is a play to grab market share from Claude, But it seems Claude code is too strong of a brand Until the IT managers and CFOs cut budget hard, Claude will live rent free in heads of all developers OpenAI should attack the CIO and CFOs stat At my company we have unlimited codex and claude, still people stick to gimped claude code

If developers are choosing Claude when given unlimited access to both, then any executive who tries to force them to Codex is really stupid.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by nsoonhui »

gr_norm wrote: post #22

Even if you don't want to use open models, you should cheer for them anyway because it puts the American frontier labs' feet to the flames. This competition is awesome for us consumers.

I did try to use Chinese open models, but for my production work they simply couldn't cope at all; both GLM 5.3 and Deepseek v4 went into infinite loop and wasted my tokens until my OpenRouter wallet reached 0; good thing I didn't enable the auto topup. US models, by contrast, breezed past them.

Even for simpler tasks, Chinese models took long time to complete, and I needed to supervise closely. The price , in the end, didn't come cheap, mainly because too much time wasted on thinking.

So maybe one day Chinese models will squeeze out the American ones, but today is not that day.

As far as consumers are concerned, I feel blindly shilling for anyone purely for ideological reasons are quite meaningless, especially when it comes to open/close source and US/China rivalry. I have no obligation to support "open source/weight" or the "underdogs" just because they are so. We only want things that work, and at a cheap price.

Re: GPT 5.6 Sol 20% price reduction

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Post by lukeify »

returnInfinity wrote: post #29

This is a play to grab market share from Claude, But it seems Claude code is too strong of a brand Until the IT managers and CFOs cut budget hard, Claude will live rent free in heads of all developers OpenAI should attack the CIO and CFOs stat At my company we have unlimited codex and claude, still people stick to gimped claude code

> But it seems Claude code is too strong of a brand

Nah. I switched away from Claude Code to Codex recently. It's refreshing how to-the-point 5.6-Sol is out of the box, and there's only so many load-bearing seams and honest takes I can handle from Opus. And additionally, yeah as you called out, the Codex Max plan is substantially more generous with tokens than Anthropic is with Claude Max and Opus/Fable.

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