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Post by otterley »

conductr wrote: post #780
otterley wrote: post #720

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I agree - however, I was responding to your direct question about whether GitHub's operating cost was high, and there's some data that suggests that it is!

If this is one of their major expenses and only represents 5% of annual revenue, it’s not. Often SaaS companies can run at 90%+ gross margins even with a highly utilized free user tier. Their selling expenses and labor/opex and SG&A run rates can be all over the map but these are extremely controllable and represent the operating strategy being executed more than the cost of service.

Would you say that the operating cost of running an airline is high or low?

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by fooster »

yladiz wrote: post #755
fooster wrote: post #721

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You can accept what you like, but it's true. Our team and our business is incredibly more productive. The number of new valuable customer facing features, and the number of PRs (which represent REAL work, not taking a PR and splitting it into 200 PRs game) have all increased dramatically. We've shipped something like ~10x more PRs so far this year than all last year. And we've done that without increasing the number…

Great, number go up. Have the features led to actual customer growth, or just increased productivity?

Yes lots and lots of growth.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by cassidoo »

pooploop64 wrote: post #251

I don't know where else to ask this but it's killing me. Does anyone know what the hell that GitHub physical CD thing was about? Did anyone in the world get theirs?

That was a fun thing that the marketing and devrel team are still working on, turns out burning repos on the discs was a harder problem than anticipated (lol) but we'll get them out eventually, promise!

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by Brian_K_White »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #628
Brian_K_White wrote: post #369

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Whos fault is the massive load increase, or their inability to navigate it? Did I iject copilot into every part of github? In fact not only did I not insert it, I have never even used it. Did I move their infrastructure to Azure? Did I sell them to MS? Did I set all the directives and priorities that MS has set on them like telling everyone they must use openai for everything, and then telling them they must stop doi…

This is exactly the entitled attitude I'm talking about. Nobody forced you to use Github for free. Don't like it, use something else. Beggars cannot be choosers

I don't have to use a thing, for free or otherwise, to observe it's nature, and nowhere in that observation is there any claim to any entitlement.

It's curious why anyone outside of GH or MS leadership would even care to try to make such a claim.

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Post by msephton »

aryamccarthy wrote: post #555
msephton wrote: post #429

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I can't speak for all of it, obviously, I don't have time to try much of it, but I see tons of amazing new software in my various feeds pretty much daily.

I'm a bit weary of seeing comments like this, but I want to believe you, so help me learn? What are some examples of the amazing software you've seen recently?

Sure. Off the of my head the first three I remember from the last day or so: Opacity (who seem to be reinventing vector drawing), Pixel Flight Simulator for pico8 (with dynamic cloud cover, day/night cycle, and voice over from air traffic control), Jet (a high speed 3D library for ESP32/embedded, open source and commercially licensable).

I'd say I saw these because I follow certain creators and/or high signal reposters in the fields of software and games.

And, if you'll forgive me, I myself am working on a totally new way to make games, called Jinks (multi-platform Web, Mac, Linux, Windows, even back to Wii and Dreamcast; games can be introspected, edited, queried at runtime; one game released so far to prove it; work in progress)

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by msephton »

gilrain wrote: post #673
msephton wrote: post #429

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I can't speak for all of it, obviously, I don't have time to try much of it, but I see tons of amazing new software in my various feeds pretty much daily.

What are the top 3 you remember? You say you can’t speak for all of it… can you speak for any of it?

Please see my answer to an earlier comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49397304

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by tetec1 »

layer8 wrote: post #735
peab wrote: post #414

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This comment comes up over and over again and it's incredibly ignorant. To give just a single example, ai code dev has enabled people to make tools for themselves that they didn't have before. I've made a language learning app for myself. Its working better than Duolingo so far, for me. Its not really public

Most people would prefer an excellent language learning app to simply be available and ready for them to use, rather than having to come up with how such an app could best work, and to get an AI to implement it by themselves, and having to iterate on that. Just like most people simply want to buy nice clothes, and don’t want to become fashion designers and managers of a clothing factory. So far it doesn’t look like A…

As someone also building a language-learning app for myself, it's not too hard to create an excellent app right now, but the "readily available" part of your requirements is now 10x harder than a few years ago. Users are getting bombarded by new apps, so marketing an app, which was already hard before AI, is now much, much harder.

I could try to market this app, but I tried that 2 years ago, and it was already essentially a failure. So I'm probably going to keep it for myself or just try to find a few users who like it and will use it for free.

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Post by 27183 »

devrob wrote: post #778
27183 wrote: post #448

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> ai code dev has enabled people to make tools for themselves that they didn't have before. ...that sounds pretty worthless tbh. The promise of AI wasn't that you can bang out your own little half baked duolingo clone. It was that every engineer was supposed to become hundreds or thousands of percent more productive. The assumption being that things generally would therefore get noticeably better . We're seeing hundr…

Out of curiosity, what real economic terms would you have to see to be convinced? Do you mean more earnings per share for corporations or real utility impacts on social systems (e.g., more new drugs) When I ask Claude about the AI ROI, it seems to cite that ~95% of AI PoC's are negative ROI but the 5% that do have ROI tend to have decent return -- my guess is mostly back office clean up to reduce expenses and increas…

> Do you mean more earnings per share for corporations or real utility impacts on social systems (e.g., more new drugs)

I mean real utility impacts. More reliable and efficient software, better features, etc. So far we've seen none of that. In fact, it seems like the opposite--more volume but a much lower quality product.

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Post by bpavuk »

fragmede wrote: post #290
bpavuk wrote: post #140

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that is more manageable but c'mon I can't even keep Google One 100GB up on a consistent basis, that's how poor I am. self-hosting would be a far better option because apparently I find enough people to provide free Hetzner VPSes and stuff as long as I can sell this as mutually beneficial. for context, I would GLADLY move there my Neovim plugin. all it does is brings the current jj message into your editor and lets yo…

Oracle has a free tier that you can self host a git server on, if that's what you're looking for.

I spent a month trying to set this thing up, to no avail

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Post by inigyou »

altcognito wrote: post #723
inigyou wrote: post #709

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It's been bad because it's crowded out better things. When you put something shit on the market for free you destroy most of the will for customers to pay for a thing, even if it's good, because they can just use the shit free version. This can be an intentional business strategy.

So, I lived through the Internet Explorer age so I'm familiar with that. I think it is a leap to say there are better alternatives dying to get out. There's no objective way to decide they are stifling innovation. I'm not sure there's some solution for what you're complaining about other than the government coming in and saying they have to split github. What are you advocating for here, or is this just complaining?

Why do you think it has to be one of those?
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