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Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Post by cgio »

bhelx wrote: post #114
graemep wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude not only writes verbose comments, it also writes comments about how things used to work when refactoring. That might have a place in version control comments, but not in the code.

This speaks to the general problem with using LLMs for writing. The audience they are writing for us you, but you're trying to write for a totally different audience. In code, this manifests as comments in the code that are hyperspecific to the conversation you are having, and not the long term benefit of having those comments in the code. I see this in docs a lot. I've been reading a lot of docs these days where it…

I don’t even think comments are useful at all given AI. I can ask my AI to explain a piece of code if I am stuck and I will get a reply in context of what I am looking for.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Post by purplepatrick »

ianjbutler wrote: post #86
faizshah wrote: post #60

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This or you just repeat the initial prompt every 200k tokens

Which gets you to the point where the whole thing is.. still unreliable. Generative text engines are going to generate. This calls for real enforcement in deterministic pre-edit hooks. And here is where naive people will say something like "Why do I care if robots shit all over the codebase? Code is for machines, I don't expect to deal with it much now". But really externalized CoT like this confuses machines too, wa…

Yup. If only there were a task completion hook that could be set to fire prior to rendering terminal output. That would more handily address all these issues, as we could simply enforce output style rules that way.

The current output style does work, but it’s a Sisyphean task to tweak it constantly only to find out that CC adhere’s to only 75% of it, no matter what…

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Post by [deleted] »

jorl17 wrote: post #113
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #109

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Thanks, this sequence of 33 words alone was enough to give me a searing migraine.

Glad to know it worked. Still pending: the assumed-defaults research track plus the validation-only build phase D demanded — your call on whether to start one now or deploy tonight’s campaign to surface any wrinkles the spec drifted on

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Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Post by efskap »

cgio wrote: post #151
bhelx wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This speaks to the general problem with using LLMs for writing. The audience they are writing for us you, but you're trying to write for a totally different audience. In code, this manifests as comments in the code that are hyperspecific to the conversation you are having, and not the long term benefit of having those comments in the code. I see this in docs a lot. I've been reading a lot of docs these days where it…

I don’t even think comments are useful at all given AI. I can ask my AI to explain a piece of code if I am stuck and I will get a reply in context of what I am looking for.

But comments should hopefully explain "why", not what or how, and that kind of context is exactly what an LLM is likely to be missing

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Post by hightrix »

PaulStatezny wrote: post #142

For those of us who don't want to pay for Gemini tokens, what would be the best local LLM to use for this? (A model that can run reasonably well in a ~24GB MacBook.)

I don’t have a good answer but would like one. I’ve got a not too old desktop with a 4090 and 64gb of ram, I’d like a local model also.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Post by qwerpy »

Sanzig wrote: post #39
matheusmoreira wrote: post #17

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Claude will end the conversation if you berate it when it screws something up.

Why berate an LLM? That doesn't sound healthy. Sure, it's a machine, but it's simulating a social interaction - being a jerk to it could bleed over into interactions with real people. Also, Westworld? These violent delights have violent ends ? Perhaps there's a tinge of Pascal's wager to it, but I prefer to be courteous to the rapidly improving synthetic intelligences.

I know I’ll get a “it’s almost as if HN is made up of different people” for this. But It’s hilarious seeing the chiding about berating LLMs interposed with the unhinged rants and screeching on here whenever anything remotely political comes up.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Post by SadErn »

mmastrac wrote: post #14

I've started giving these instructions and I think I've been much more successful in generating clear output: Comment blocks are Limiting the number of words is the strongest factor in cleaning up the output, IMO. For older code I've instructed it to delete all the comments, and then I re-comment it using a new session and these guidelines, asking it to rejustify the need for every comment to itself.

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Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Post by dhosek »

Hmm. I took a look at my claude output and I don’t see anything remotely like that in my responses. Occasionally a bit verbose, but none of this but “here’s the kicker” thing that the post claims, although I also notice that I’m using Sonnet which seems to be just fine.
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