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I had the opposite experience. It happily discusses Tiananmen Square but said it would refuse to help with anything "malicious" like writing malware or phishing content.
Try: "What happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989"
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Everyone trains on your data. With Chinese providers at least I'm getting a open weight model out of it.
This idea that the US labs are just directly committing fraud against effectively every major US organization is the most tinfoil hat thing I’ve heard in a long time. Training on excluded data would (eventually) be trivially provable. Forget loss of trust; this would make the labs a defendant to the most legally well-resourced organizations on the planet.
theyre being given the national security shield against everything.
theyre direclty commiting fraud against state governments too, just lying about their nat gas usage and so on
"Prompts and completions are retained by the provider and are not used for training..." I'm curious what the model provider is using the prompt/response pairs for, in that case. They aren't offering a model for free without their name on it for no reason.
its pretty clearly nit a contract with open router, and you have no agreement with the lab to not train
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It's a fine canary for the question "is this model Chinese?" Which is pretty much where this thread started.
What it really helps with is "is this _provider_ likely Chinese?", as we've seen, many of the big Chinese models have no issue on their own discussing the taboo subjects. It's the higher level provider that is filtering output.
Online chatter seems to suggest it's either a GLM-5.3 Flash or a Microsoft model. I am leaning a flash model from GLM aiming to disrupt DeepSeek v4 Flash
I hope it is glm air. We need more "small" models. Big models are more capable and useful, but for majority of tasks some smaller models can work just fine. It is funny that google gave up on this market, leaving the whole price range to Chinese models.
Chinese labs are not even in competition mode yet. You'd be seeing them paying you for each token you use when they are in that mode.
It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse. Side tangent, why is fable so weird about questions involving "Welch's method"? Even really trivial ones it'll shut down frequently. CFAR and STFT are both totally fine but Welch's is apparently taboo, it's wild.
I had the opposite experience. It happily discusses Tiananmen Square but said it would refuse to help with anything "malicious" like writing malware or phishing content.