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Coding Agents killed my identity. How do you feel?

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Re: Coding Agents killed my identity. How do you feel?

#31

Sorry to dissapoint but “writing code” or “programming” per se was never a goal to begin with. It was and is just an obstacle, a mean to an end at best. Therefore it’s not AI fault that you built your identity on sand. The goal had always been - delivering value, solving problems. How about building your identity around that and see what happens? In this context AI is nothing but good news, with proper attitude and s…

"The goal had always been" - who's goal? Company? Employee? Humanity? I didn't get your point. I enjoyed certain type of work and now it's dead. I still can be relevant doing much less enjoyable work.

>In this context AI is nothing but good news, with proper attitude and skill it helps achieving the goal better, faster.

It is good news if you are in a lower spectrum of technical literacy. What AI did is significantly lower requirement for hard skills for problem solving. Before AI gap between smart and experienced dev and smart junior was gigantic, not it is almost non-existing. If you consider yourself good programmer, you are now way less valuable

Re: Coding Agents killed my identity. How do you feel?

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post #31

Sorry to dissapoint but “writing code” or “programming” per se was never a goal to begin with. It was and is just an obstacle, a mean to an end at best. Therefore it’s not AI fault that you built your identity on sand. The goal had always been - delivering value, solving problems. How about building your identity around that and see what happens? In this context AI is nothing but good news, with proper attitude and s…

"The goal had always been" - who's goal? Company? Employee? Humanity? I didn't get your point. I enjoyed certain type of work and now it's dead. I still can be relevant doing much less enjoyable work. >In this context AI is nothing but good news, with proper attitude and skill it helps achieving the goal better, faster. It is good news if you are in a lower spectrum of technical literacy. What AI did is significantly…

> who's goal?

Who do you think created the discipline? Why? Who invested their resources and capital in its development? Why?

You can downvote me ad much as you can, but it doesn’t make you a special techincally enlightened cookie.

And this wouldn’t magically make programming an art form (ad many of people like you mistakenly think). It was always a trade, not designed to be enjoyed or have fun about (that happens accidentally every now and then).

But even if you consider it an art form, form of expressing identity, individuality - you are free to do that as much as you like. And I would be truly happy for you.

But don’t be naive and arrogant to consider yourself smart vs them dumb juniors. And to be resentful about genuine technological progress in the field.

Re: Coding Agents killed my identity. How do you feel?

#36
Personally I feel a bit sad and annoyed sometimes, lots of folks I know that are working in some non technical roles e.g. lawyers in public departments or doctors in medecine come to me to show me their apps and tools and data science scripts they've written, and I have to admit their work looks totally respectable and they get it published on the app store. It can be a bit demoralizing as I feel like IT/software doesn't have any protected spaces for us engineers, whereas e.g. my friends in medecine or law feel fine as even though AI might come up with diagnoses or law expertise it won't be legally allowed to replace their function as there's a ton of red tape to ensue only certified lawyers and doctors can practice law or medecine. There's nothing like that in software engineering (at least in most fields) so in principle every "hack" can let their vibe coded data science results, software or script loose on the world. To a degree it feels quite disprespectful even. But it has always been like that I guess.

Re: Coding Agents killed my identity. How do you feel?

#37

Personally I feel a bit sad and annoyed sometimes, lots of folks I know that are working in some non technical roles e.g. lawyers in public departments or doctors in medecine come to me to show me their apps and tools and data science scripts they've written, and I have to admit their work looks totally respectable and they get it published on the app store. It can be a bit demoralizing as I feel like IT/software doe…

Exactly this. If those old-school professions didn't have protections they gained from lobbing for dozens of years, they would be facing the same reality we are.

If you think about it, a lawyer is an ideal profession to replace with AI. To a large extend doctors diagnosing based on inputs is the same. But they have the keys in form of their diplomas.

Re: Coding Agents killed my identity. How do you feel?

#38
I've said it multiple times: I'm in a position where using AI is completely optional. And in a place where there's a strong divide between those that do and those of us that don't, the result is apparent: ship fast and have no clue what to do when shit hits the fan, or ship slow(relatively speaking if you have 3 major updates/week) and be able to handle the inevitable shitstorm.

Overall, I am not concerned about the slopification beyond the fact that cybersecurity is dead. Your only way out of it is to do what I've been doing and cut all ropes to cloud providers and and self-host everything, but that's a different topic.

I've had to scroll through tons of slop and the harsh truth that sloppers/clankers/ai evangelists cry over is the fact that you end up with a ton of unmanageable, over-engineered spaghetti soup that is held together by hope and dreams.

The constant data leaks, security incidents, downtime are not becoming more frequent by pure coincidence. The endless todo apps are not gaining traction because there is no demand for them at all and is the only reason why security incidents are not more frequent.

The real hard to swallow pill is that most people in software engineering were not in software engineering because of their passion or desire to be there: it was the relatively-higher pay and nothing more. AI didn't destroy that - the masks are finally down. What is sad is that more often than not, businesses are obsessed with delivering features as if there's an infinite number of clients that require them and an infinite amount of clients that would jump on board the second you release them. Sooooo. Throw a plane full of cash at anthropic/google/openai/etc. And hope for the best with a pinky-promise IOU. For those that are/were passionate about software and are not as fortunate as me and forced to slop their way though the work day, this is no doubt heartbreaking. Software is a lot like Lego - you have some basic tools, you know what you are trying to achieve and you have to fight limitations. Putting the pieces together is the most rewarding part of the process. For those people, slop machines took the most rewarding part of the job.

There's also the fact that slop is currently heavily subsidized by investors so most people are paying a symbolic fee. The real question I have is what would happen when the real prices hit? I suspect a lot of companies dying if they don't have a financial backup strategy/enough cash to invest in people figuring out what the endless slop does or simply having to shut down operations. Only time will tell.

Re: Coding Agents killed my identity. How do you feel?

#39
As an older programmer being able to not waste my mental space with details and the churn of newer frameworks allows me to explore projects I wanted to build for years but lack the time and energy I had in my 20s.

The goal was being able to make things and I've judged my abilities on how much faster I can do things year after year. This speeds things up on one side but creates this backlog of things that need testing.

I still love programming but I always preferred the language and style I used 30 years ago. I've been forced to adapt to newer ways, frameworks and different methods to keep up with the times. Using AI is the new react/angularjs frontend pattern of 2015. All of these new patterns were less satisfying then what we had before.

For me I'm doing things I couldn't find time before and polishing areas I could but weren't high quality enough.

Paying for AI is a struggle mentally and trying to find a good balance is part of the newer challenge. A codex subscription gets used up too quickly or I can't find enough tasks to use up my subscription and both states cause mental burden. At work trying to maximum output while keeping within a reasonable token usage level is a struggle. Local models using cpu can do a lot for free but need to be carefully planned to limit scope. Using free opencode models works but code quality can fall apart so carefully balancing that can be hard. The code quality of top end models looks awful but can be better if you want to spend time on that aspect and trying to balance that with token usage is hard.

My biggest wonder is if job interviews are testing that you can hand code still but forcing you to use llms when hired.

Re: Coding Agents killed my identity. How do you feel?

#40

Personally I feel a bit sad and annoyed sometimes, lots of folks I know that are working in some non technical roles e.g. lawyers in public departments or doctors in medecine come to me to show me their apps and tools and data science scripts they've written, and I have to admit their work looks totally respectable and they get it published on the app store. It can be a bit demoralizing as I feel like IT/software doe…

Exactly this. If those old-school professions didn't have protections they gained from lobbing for dozens of years, they would be facing the same reality we are. If you think about it, a lawyer is an ideal profession to replace with AI. To a large extend doctors diagnosing based on inputs is the same. But they have the keys in form of their diplomas.

A lot of low level lawyer work is being replaced by AI.
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