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Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by phs318u »

bellowsgulch wrote: post #332
joenot443 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you accept the US has entered its East Germany / late 20th century Soviet era -- except of course with 1000x more invasive and effective surveillance tech. I'm pretty optimistic that after the next general America will be ready to give up on the extremity of late turn over a new leaf. I fully expect a new president to be ushered in, whether R or D, and for some level of normalcy to start creeping back. The Sovie…

I agree. It's actually quite insulting to other countries whose actual atrocities were measured in lives lost. I voted for Kamala but Trump Derangement Syndrome is real. He's just a loser, he's not even remotely brave enough to be Hitler Jr. The guy doesn't have the stomach for real totalitarianism. Just populism, corruption, and weakening the country.

Yes but many who support him and bankroll him do. They use him as a public thermostat to keep upping the heat to see if any of the frogs jump.

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by iAMkenough »

hamdingers wrote: post #383
iAMkenough wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're ever searched (or otherwise indisposed), they'll open the bag and wipe your phone for you. Isn't that the same issue here that resulted in felony charges? Border agent was given a duress PIN and wiped the phone for the owner. Now owner is charged.

I don't see how. Regardless of how you feel about the lawfulness of the overall situation, Tunick gave an agent false information which resulted in the phone being wiped. That's intent. This requires no action whatsoever from the phone's owner, you could even be unconscious/dead and it would still work.

The intent in that scenario is to wipe your phone (destroy evidence) when a bag is searched by federal agents.

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by tiahura »

btbuildem wrote: post #227

The naivete of some of the comments here is astounding. It doesn't matter whether you're right, it doesn't matter whether it's the law, it's irrelevant that you have rights, etc. Those things are of the past now, for the US. I think it would be easier to understand the playing field and choose your actions accordingly, if you accept the US has entered its East Germany / late 20th century Soviet era -- except of cours…

In law school we skipped border search cases because the border crosser cases can basically be summed up with “you have no right to privacy at the border.” This has been the common law for 5000 years. It has nothing to do with Trump, or cell phones, or anything other than the notion that a sovereign has an absolute right to know what is crossing its borders.

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by Gerard18Aug »

fooqux wrote: post #377
aucisson_masque wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America dominance on the world is ending, it's a fact. East Asia is at least on par, India is china from 25 years ago. It's becoming more obvious every day. And yeah, people in 1910 watched Europe dominate the world for about 1500 years. Yet it came to an end. If you want to Speedrun the collapse, vote for trump. He sure is making a good job right now with diplomacy, lack of long term planning and just getting all yo…

I'm just not sure what to do. What the US is turning into is incredibly sad and I wish I could leave.

Just pick up and leave. Literally. And do not feel bad about it. Also ignore other people opinions. There is like a dozen of places to go to. The easiest? UAE freelancer visa. Yes I know, I know: "... but but the drones! The collapse!" It's all BS. When / if something happens there – go to Panama. Then Costa Rica. You are not alone on this route - but only if you really committed to your freedom. If not - just sit there and vote democrats. LOL.

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Post by yapyap »

Zak wrote: post #189

For exactly the border search scenario, I wish smartphones could be imaged and restored as easily as PCs. Imagine booting the phone from a flash drive, making an encrypted image of the phone on said drive, and writing a fresh OS before reaching the border. There's no deception required to protect sensitive data or avoid the seizure of an expensive phone. Consent to unlocking the phone, refuse to unlock the drive. The…

> refuse to unlock the drive. The drive gets seized and you go on your way (if you're a US citizen entering the USA)

… yeah I doubt that nowadays honestly

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Post by robocat »

bad_haircut72 wrote: post #113
jfengel wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original text is basically useless. They're more like a mission statement rather than directives. They set up broad aspirations, but the implementation has to be aggregated over literally millions of pages of judicial decisions. Even lawyers with extremely different ideologies will give you convergent answers in a lot of cases, even when those answers conflict with an apparently obvious reading of the original te…

The words are actually extremely clear and its exceptionally prudent to quote them, because nobody with a brain can read them and fail see that the government is simply being unconstitutional - all over the place. Even when the people are powerless, we dont have to give up our powers of seeing the truth. Your post and this whole idea that "the words dont mean what they say they mean" is frankly doublespeak of the low…

  The term doublespeak derives from two concepts in 1984 ("doublethink" and "Newspeak") despite the term itself not being used in the novel. [edited]
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

I just bought a cheap 1984 to masochistically read again.

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Post by bbbgddsss »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #369
joenot443 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you accept the US has entered its East Germany / late 20th century Soviet era -- except of course with 1000x more invasive and effective surveillance tech. I'm pretty optimistic that after the next general America will be ready to give up on the extremity of late turn over a new leaf. I fully expect a new president to be ushered in, whether R or D, and for some level of normalcy to start creeping back. The Sovie…

America dominance on the world is ending, it's a fact. East Asia is at least on par, India is china from 25 years ago. It's becoming more obvious every day. And yeah, people in 1910 watched Europe dominate the world for about 1500 years. Yet it came to an end. If you want to Speedrun the collapse, vote for trump. He sure is making a good job right now with diplomacy, lack of long term planning and just getting all yo…

good grief. people said this about the USSR right up until it collapsed. they also said it about Japan. this website is ridiculous. you people know this is an echo chamber, right? go outside

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Post by phs318u »

cespare wrote: post #324
btbuildem wrote: post #227

The naivete of some of the comments here is astounding. It doesn't matter whether you're right, it doesn't matter whether it's the law, it's irrelevant that you have rights, etc. Those things are of the past now, for the US. I think it would be easier to understand the playing field and choose your actions accordingly, if you accept the US has entered its East Germany / late 20th century Soviet era -- except of cours…

This defeatism is unhelpful. I'll not simply surrender the country that I love, thanks.

Doing nothing is surrender. So what do you propose people do? What are you doing? Is it effective?

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

btbuildem wrote: post #227

The naivete of some of the comments here is astounding. It doesn't matter whether you're right, it doesn't matter whether it's the law, it's irrelevant that you have rights, etc. Those things are of the past now, for the US. I think it would be easier to understand the playing field and choose your actions accordingly, if you accept the US has entered its East Germany / late 20th century Soviet era -- except of cours…

We have unprecedented corruption in the White House but much of the other stuff is not new territory. It’s bad and a regression I hate to see. But we can always improve when the people demand better. The people always have the power, even if they don’t realize it.

For the most part nothing has changed.

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