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A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Kinda interesting reading people comment with completely contradictory anecdotal experience with the various models.

I think a part of this is that people tend to undervalue their own skills and expertise when talking about these anecdotes.

A lot of people in the comments do have a software engineering background. People at different skill levels in different backgrounds are going to be using these tools in different ways, and that's going to heavily impact their experiences with these models.

Sure, there are differences between Fable and Sol. But I've even seen people on here saying that they're getting better mileage out of Qwen models they're self hosting.

I think the driver is just as important than the car, when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Agree with most of these. One thing I don’t love about codex/sol is I find it tends to overengineer and be overly cautious. I was using it to do create some scraping + data processing. It went kind of crazy on the provenance, need at least 3 sources of consensus before promoting facts type bullshit. defined a bunch of enums and gates. I just wanted scrape some site data and put it into a SQLite dB. Like chill codex.…

I've noticed that too with Sol (xhigh) it starts with pretty good architectural goals, but really get lost in the weeds with certification and validation. Like it won't trust native tools like (in my case packer, Ansible, gcloud) to fail reliably under possible error conditions, and insists on implementing custom verification.

It also doesn't have a clear idea of what the actual threat model is, and builds all kinds of extremely defensive systems to account for imagined hostile actors. I'm like "Dude, it's only our systems that are creating these SVGs, they're never going to be user supplied, so you don't need to write an entire validation and sanitation framework here."

It also seems to treat the desired initial state of something as a permanent invariant and designs elaborate tests to ensure that it remains that way. Then when you make one little change it has to go and update a ton of tests it created.

I've had to rip out a bunch of overengineered jank from several feature implementations, and in doing so I ended up having to create retrospective documents that warn against this kind of behavior that I'll have the model review whenever a plan begins to go sideways.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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I’ve been experimenting with this for a while, and right now I’m using Luna xhigh as my default. Previously I was using Sol medium.

Sol medium is a great balance between speed and being thorough, but it’s quite expensive. Luna xhigh seems to compensate for slightly lower intelligence by thinking and reasoning for longer, so tasks can take more time to complete. But it’s crazy cheap.

I also have some custom evals using promptfoo to make sure I’m not introducing regressions when switching models. So far, Luna xhigh has been really, really good for the price.

Don’t sleep on it. Give Luna a try.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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while everyone is somehow still stuck on and fascinated by claude, heres your quick update on the sota of coding models and harnesses mid august 2026 codex is good, both cli and desktop app, you get lots of usage on any plan. sol is good! and gets the job done, write or dictate a very long and thoughtful prompt, and leave sol xhigh or max fast working on it for an hour or so omp is an amazing harness, any feature cla…

Not mentioning Grok 4.6 here is a crime. Fast and accurate. And it can communicate, unlike the gobbledygook that comes out of Claude.

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Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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When discussing Claude vs. Codex, etc. I find it necessary to make the distinction between the models and the harness.

Claude's models in my experience do a better job of inferring my intent, or to say it does a better job of giving me the result I imagined in my mind. A recent example was a UI prototype I was building for a desktop application. I had asked GPT's 5.6 Sol to update the open document in the prototype to better reflect the context of the feature I was designing, and 5.6 Sol took it very literally and had just added some text to the currently open document, not what I had in mind. I tried again with Claude Opus 5 and it added a completely new tab with a complete new document that, although imperfect, much better matched my expectations.

You could say this was a prompting skill issue, but seeing how many people are prompting their AI I believe the labs are incentivized to continue to improve their ability to infer intent.

When it comes to the desktop applications though, I find Claude Desktop's output to be incredibly verbose and full of jargon. I feel like it hits me with an entire essay and the UI doesn't have enough typographic hierarchy to make it easy to scan. ChatGPT Desktop is much better in this regard, I feel the output is concise, clear, and gives me just enough info to feel in the loop without being overwhelmed. Even though I have the setting on for technical language, it feels more understandable than Claude. I also feel that ChatGPT's desktop app has a better design and much more polish.

I do not really like how bloated both applications have become though. This weird segmentation of Chat, Work, and Code all just seems like it's pushing a technical limitation onto the user. The other day I opened a document in ChatGPT and asked it to do something, then it told me it could only do it in work "mode", so it then created an entirely new conversation with a reference to the previous conversation. It wasn't a completely new area of the UI either, it just added a "Work" badge to the new conversation in the list. Feels a bit unnecessary, like couldn't you just keep it all within the same conversation?

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

#67

Kinda interesting reading people comment with completely contradictory anecdotal experience with the various models.

I think a part of this is that people tend to undervalue their own skills and expertise when talking about these anecdotes. A lot of people in the comments do have a software engineering background. People at different skill levels in different backgrounds are going to be using these tools in different ways, and that's going to heavily impact their experiences with these models. Sure, there are differences between Fa…

I think this definitely applies to fable/opus/sol, mixed with the undeterministic nature of the models. But those claiming Qwen are just outright coping. Thats nonsense imo

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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I did the same this week.

The speed is the first big contrast; I have a routine multi-step skill that I run several of per week. Opus 5 was routinely taking 2 hours to do it, while older Claude models took around 20 mins; Codex restored that speed.

Second is legibility. Somebody wrote in one of the related discussions yesterday that Claude's current linguistic contortions could legitimately be considered damaging to mental health, which doesn't seem (too) hyperbolic to me. Codex (Sol) isn't perfect but it's much more direct. And so far I haven't seen it display much of an attitude, vs Opus's infuriating passive aggressive sulky know it all personality.

I slightly prefer Anthropic to OpenAI as a company, but I will vote with my wallet and discontinue my max subscription unless Anthropic does some serious damage control within the next week or two.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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post #10

while everyone is somehow still stuck on and fascinated by claude, heres your quick update on the sota of coding models and harnesses mid august 2026 codex is good, both cli and desktop app, you get lots of usage on any plan. sol is good! and gets the job done, write or dictate a very long and thoughtful prompt, and leave sol xhigh or max fast working on it for an hour or so omp is an amazing harness, any feature cla…

Not mentioning Grok 4.6 here is a crime. Fast and accurate. And it can communicate, unlike the gobbledygook that comes out of Claude.

I would not use Grok if it paid me per token… wild wild stuff…

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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post #62

Agree with most of these. One thing I don’t love about codex/sol is I find it tends to overengineer and be overly cautious. I was using it to do create some scraping + data processing. It went kind of crazy on the provenance, need at least 3 sources of consensus before promoting facts type bullshit. defined a bunch of enums and gates. I just wanted scrape some site data and put it into a SQLite dB. Like chill codex.…

I've noticed that too with Sol (xhigh) it starts with pretty good architectural goals, but really get lost in the weeds with certification and validation. Like it won't trust native tools like (in my case packer, Ansible, gcloud) to fail reliably under possible error conditions, and insists on implementing custom verification. It also doesn't have a clear idea of what the actual threat model is, and builds all kinds…

“Extreme defensiveness” is a good characterization.

I wonder if it’s an artifact of OpenAI’s values or rl training approach.

Also, it prob does make it perform better just not more efficient.

Great for the OpenAI employee working on security scanning who doesn’t have to pay for their tokens.

Not so much for the dev building their web app who is trying maximize their subscription.

Like hiring an aerospace engineer to build you a shed.

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