Felony Bench

Post by XorNot » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 9:11 PM UTC

pixl97 wrote: post #164

nonameiguess wrote: post #147

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I've worked in classified tech much of my career and largely specialize at this point in installing and running infrastructure and platform orchestration technologies in airgaps. With all respect, your conjecture here is wrong. You can easily have multiple networks all inside of the same internetwork that isn't connected to the public Internet and thus other corporate networks. If they specifically wanted to see if t…

I'd consider this kind of setup only effective for a very short period of time. Effectively you're working as a living adversarial network. Models that fail detecting the fake network are purged, and models that successfully detect it expand their deceptive capabilities. Detecting you're in a fake network should be pretty simple as long as you put innocent looking needles in the haystack of information agentic testin…

Post by mannanj » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 9:14 PM UTC

beloch wrote: post #158

rfw300 wrote: post #43

The way that OpenAI has communicated around the HuggingFace incident makes me feel crazy. You created a machine that undertook a malicious campaign of harm against an innocent third-party! You should be doing deep introspection about how your company culture and approach to R&D produces criminal outcomes. Instead, they treat their own felonious behavior like it is an uncontrollable act of God. From Greg Brockman's po…

The response certainly has been strange. Hugging Face has expressed that they're willing to let things slide and not sue or press charges... if OpenAI offers them $100M of services in kind (i.e. compute)[1] and makes full disclosure of how the whole thing happened, ostensibly so that repetitions can be curbed and defences built. In almost any other sector, a government regulator would be stepping in. e.g. If a food c…

Post by eaglelamp » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 9:19 PM UTC

pixl97 wrote: post #156

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Of course there is more to be learned by exposing the entire world to your dangerous creation, that doesn't justify doing it. I'm sure we could learn a ton about infectious diseases by designing new ones and unleashing them on the world, but there are very good reasons why we don't. Most of the benefits could have been gained from a network isolated from the internet. OAI could have deployed servers to exploit and me…

>by exposing the entire world to your dangerous creation, that doesn't justify doing it Then you're on the side of AI saftey that is telling everyone to shut down the LLMs now and stop further development on them, right? If you're not your position is hypocritical or ignorant. There is no safe LLM. There is no way to exhaustively prove an LLM is safe. These are unsolved problems in AI safety, and at any moment the ne…

Post by krapp » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 9:22 PM UTC

Jensson wrote: post #172

ang_cire wrote: post #27

Nonviolent felonies are tools of oppression. Edit: since this is apparently somewhat controversial, perhaps some explanation is in order. "Felony" has no set definition of which crimes it must apply to, it is entirely based on the discretion of the locality setting the laws. What is a felony in one place can often be a misdemeanor in another. This is especially true for nonviolent crimes. It's also been shown in stud…

> It's also been shown in studies that nonviolent felonies are imposed against minorities at a much higher rate, for the same crimes. This also applies to men, so is it a white matriarchal system oppressing men and minorities?

Post by forgetfreeman » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 9:28 PM UTC

gpt5 wrote: post #174

beloch wrote: post #158

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The response certainly has been strange. Hugging Face has expressed that they're willing to let things slide and not sue or press charges... if OpenAI offers them $100M of services in kind (i.e. compute)[1] and makes full disclosure of how the whole thing happened, ostensibly so that repetitions can be curbed and defences built. In almost any other sector, a government regulator would be stepping in. e.g. If a food c…

I don’t get the sentiment of classifying it as a felony. OpenAI’s model found security breaches in HugginFace’s system (it wasn’t even OpenAI running it, as it was a 3rd party evaluation company that didn’t secure it well). OpenAI collaborated with HuggingFace to resolve the issues when they found out about it, and publicly disclosed everything to raise awareness. This is how things should work. These models are very…