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AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

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post #62

Education sustem is not about the actual knowledge, but about training various aspects of the brain during kids development. So even memorizing literature have benefits, even though it doesn't bring any career use. If you skip this, well your brain won't develop as much at period of life it's able to do so.

I wish that was the main way countries understood education

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#122
post #113

I think we need to accept that AI causes cognitive decline, like Alzheimer's. For an Adult this may be manageable, but in a young brain, this is detrimental.

I remember reading about people talking how writing and reading books leads to cognitive decline because people won't need to remember things anymore. Pretty sure the way social media is designed contributes more to short attention spans and atrophy of the cerebral cortex.

The fact people were wrong in the past doesn’t mean it’s wrong with regards to AI

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#123
This feels like the calculator debate all over again.

Yes, using a calculator leads to worse outcomes in your learning. But also, yes, everyone always carries a calculator on their person 24/7 these days and you'll never be as fast and as accurate as a calculator.

I think it would have been kinda cool if you could have unlocked the privilege of using a calculator in school through good grades in math class. Prove you can do what the tool can, then you get to use it. Would have also provided at least one incentive for students to get good grades in at least one class.

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#124
post #123

This feels like the calculator debate all over again. Yes, using a calculator leads to worse outcomes in your learning. But also, yes, everyone always carries a calculator on their person 24/7 these days and you'll never be as fast and as accurate as a calculator. I think it would have been kinda cool if you could have unlocked the privilege of using a calculator in school through good grades in math class. Prove you…

> Yes, using a calculator leads to worse outcomes in your learning.

Does it? https://www.jstor.org/stable/749255

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#125
post #58

Guess what this is probably fine. AI helps people do their work on a daily basis and probably makes them memorize less things. That’s how the world is moving. You don’t need to be able to memorize something for an exam to show mastery of a topic. And we shouldn’t organize our society around memorizing things for exams.

How do you differentiate between mastery of a topic and mastery of using an AI in an exam setting? Open book tests and allowed cheat sheets already solve the memorization-is-not-required gap. It seems like allowing use of AI pushes that closer to thinking-is-not-required. And if no thinking is required, then how can you prove personal mastery?

If no thinking is required, why do you need thinking in the first place. Seems useless. If an ai can do it, why you need a human to be able to do, human should be doing something the ai can't.

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#126

Guess what this is probably fine. AI helps people do their work on a daily basis and probably makes them memorize less things. That’s how the world is moving. You don’t need to be able to memorize something for an exam to show mastery of a topic. And we shouldn’t organize our society around memorizing things for exams.

A lot of expertise is actually knowing things about the domain. You can't make a good judgement call on a topic without getting relevant knowledge in your head to make that decision. You can't even lookup the relevant knowledge without knowing what knowledge is important to make the decision, so reference material is not enough.

I can get quite a lot of knowledge on a domain pretty quickly these days. But yeah domain is important

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#127
The article does not relate AI usage for homework to exam score drops.

It tries to link them together with no obvious cause and effect.

The score could have dropped due to worse environment at schools or kids who were stuck at home studying online and now in physical locations could not adapt fast enough (meaning, possibly just temporary drops). We do not yet have enough metrics gathered yet.

This type of article bashing AI for the root of any problems, I find it appalling without any evidence.

It's nothing but a conjecture.

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#128

I think we need to accept that AI causes cognitive decline, like Alzheimer's. For an Adult this may be manageable, but in a young brain, this is detrimental.

Not doubting this one bit but is there actually any research linking AI use to Alzheimer's? I think that takes long-term studies.

Re: AI boosted homework scores, then exam scores dropped: study

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I don’t know but after this meeting I will find out and get back to you” Is an acceptable answer.

It's only an acceptable answer when used sparingly. The more often it's used, the more questions arise about your role in that meeting.

I prefer to share a video, ask people to watch it, and have them send me questions. That way I can spend time preparing answers to those questions, and then then meeting can be about discussion, not information delivery or recall.

Asking people to be conclusive on the spot is a recipe for acting on bad data. There are too many biases related to stature, they interfere with accuracy.

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