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Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by AquilineFeline »

stronglikedan wrote: post #128
tempest_ wrote: post #3

I've been enjoying Kagi for the last couple years. Even as LLMs slurp up most of the internet and replace search I think Kagi is still useful. Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account and the ability to filter out stuff like that is useful.

> Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account I don't understand why this is a barrier considering their accounts aren't invasive at all since you can use a temporary email account to sign up, and then you never have to do anything via email after that.

I just don’t want an account. I disagree with how they’re running things these days and I just don’t see the point when I only want to read posts, not make them, or comment or vote on them. And the more they push “Make an account! Get the app!” the less likely I am to do it. It’s a really hostile way to treat users. I don’t like most social media and it doesn’t bother me not having accounts on them, but it’s become such a pain with Reddit because it was one of the only places online left to get decent information about specific things. I’m now finding myself searching for things online and finding no answers because Reddit is inaccessible and that’s where the answer tends to be.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by cavoirom »

optionalsquid wrote: post #31
tempest_ wrote: post #3

I've been enjoying Kagi for the last couple years. Even as LLMs slurp up most of the internet and replace search I think Kagi is still useful. Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account and the ability to filter out stuff like that is useful.

Alternatively, you can configure Kagi to rewrite Reddit links to point to an alternative front-end via https://kagi.com/settings/redirects ^https://(www\.)?reddit.com|https://safereddit.com EDIT: See here for a list of instances: https://github.com/redlib-org/redlib#instances

Wow, thank you. I never know this. I feel good now, in a strange way when a paid service serve me well instead of exploiting me.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by delis-thumbs-7e »

DavideNL wrote: post #199
delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #59

I think this is amazing. Love Kagi. I’m happy to pay for a good search. Nobody speaks about their AI Assistant, but it is really good. They somehow harnessed it so that it mainly searches info first and sticks to the verifiable data. I prefer it to Claude or any other, because it actually answers the question I need without fluff or “Great question! Here’s some plausible nonsense you can trip over instead of doing ac…

> "Nobody speaks about their AI Assistant, but it is really good. " which model?

I find Kim best. I used 4.5, now 4.6 reasoning.

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Post by Zambyte »

californical wrote: post #170
Zambyte wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If only Kagi had a Shopping feature, then it would be a complete solution for us. Why?

I’m guessing because it’s valuable to have a trustworthy AI assistant that you can just explain what you want and it finds the best options

That's already possible, so I thought they were asking for more.

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Post by teroshan »

hgoel wrote: post #215
greatgib wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you do to get the stickers?!

I think the first time around they were included with the free shirt they sent out. Second time they were with the free socks. Maybe general merch store orders might include them too.

For some reason I never received any stickers, shirts, or socks here in France.

I do remember them asking about shipping information at some point though.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by Zambyte »

john_strinlai wrote: post #150
Zambyte wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If only Kagi had a Shopping feature, then it would be a complete solution for us. Why?

i am not sure i understand your question. presumably they want a shopping feature so that they can shop, and otherwise find Kagi has all of the features they want

> presumably they want a shopping feature so that they can shop

Right... why? Is it really too much after talking to the assistant and finding the item you want to purchase, to then click the provided link to the product page and click buy?

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by II2II »

preg_match wrote: post #188
frereubu wrote: post #96

The one thing I find slightly grating about links to Kagi blogs is the top comments are almost always "I use Kagi and it's great!" rather than about the content of the blog. And I'm a happy Kagi subscriber! I get that this is an option, but what it really shows to me is how broken the model for journalism is. In my view you almost always only get good-quality journalism if you pay for it. (Somehow - e.g. the BBC is p…

The biggest problem with micropayments is how credit card payment processors work. You typically pay a percentage fee. But they thought of everything, so you also pay a flat fee per transaction like 10 cents. So they can get their money from tiny transaction. So for something like a 20 cent micropayment, you pay more to your processor than you pocket. One solution is a universal token system or something like it. You…

The only way that will work is if each publisher has their own token system, otherwise you have created a new middleman who will want to take their own cut. That middleman will also have to deal with similar problems as payment processors, such as fraud. Perhaps it will be to a lesser degree, because it would be a less valuable target, but it would still add to costs.

Then you run into all sorts of other problems. How do you price articles? I remember running into academic publishers charging the same for a 1 page editorial as a legitimate scientific paper. And how do you charge for the article? Is it 1 token per view or 1 token for unlimited views? If it is the latter, how do you ensure the buyer doesn't lose access? On top of all of that, how do you avoid incentivizing the wrong things? A 1 token article may be 10 times more popular than a 5 token article and cost 1/10th to write, but adjust the price of the 5 token article to 10 tokens and you may cut the readership in half. On top of all of that, the consumer probably doesn't want the cognitive burden of keeping track of all of this stuff.

But the biggest reason why it won't work is because publishers don't want it to work. They have demonstrated time and time again that they would rather sell monthly subscriptions than access to articles.

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Post by varispeed »

delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #59

I think this is amazing. Love Kagi. I’m happy to pay for a good search. Nobody speaks about their AI Assistant, but it is really good. They somehow harnessed it so that it mainly searches info first and sticks to the verifiable data. I prefer it to Claude or any other, because it actually answers the question I need without fluff or “Great question! Here’s some plausible nonsense you can trip over instead of doing ac…

Is it actually good, like 2006 good? Can I go to page 300 rabbit hole and find some obscure website nobody knows with interesting content on the topic I am researching?

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Post by boplicity »

frereubu wrote: post #96

The one thing I find slightly grating about links to Kagi blogs is the top comments are almost always "I use Kagi and it's great!" rather than about the content of the blog. And I'm a happy Kagi subscriber! I get that this is an option, but what it really shows to me is how broken the model for journalism is. In my view you almost always only get good-quality journalism if you pay for it. (Somehow - e.g. the BBC is p…

Almost no publisher wants micropayments. Full stop. Micropayments are simply not good business.
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