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New Worlds: We are living in the future of J.G. Ballard or William Gibson

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Re: New Worlds: We are living in the future of J.G. Ballard or William Gibson

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The only reason I know who J.G. Ballard is is because of Jean Baudrillard. I'm convinced it was the similarity of their names which convinced Jean to read J.G's work.

Where would you recommend I start with J.G.? I got into Baudrillard and have been meaning to go further down the train of thought.

Depends on what you're after. Ballard had several modes in which he wrote.

The early works were generally overtly sci-fi, but mostly earthbound, fitting into the British New Wave of the 1960s, alongside John Brunner. The Drowning World and The Crystal World are both fantastic and unusual for the genre. The short stories are often excellent, and in my opinion some of his most original work is in this period.

The major transition came with The Atrocity Exhibition, a "cut up" novel that was more Cronenberg/Borroughs/Lynch than what came before, and magnified themes that had been emerging in his short stories. Alienation, pop culture fetishism, clinical descriptions of injuries, war (the book was originally called Love and Napalm), the horror lurking under placid suburban utopia. Crash, High-Rise etc. followed in that vein. Crash is probably the best from this period.

He wrote two autobiographical mainstream novels: Empire of the Sun is the famous one.

The late 90s/2000s novels like Super-Cannes are all rethreads of earlier stuff; the Freudian pop-psych view that we are basically animals denied the outlet of violence got a bit tired at this point. They're really well written, but I felt Ballard had lost his edge and didn't have anything insightful to add. His last novel is quite average.

So: The Atrocity Exhibition, Crash, maybe The Crystal World or the collected short stories.

Re: New Worlds: We are living in the future of J.G. Ballard or William Gibson

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I disagree. Gibson's dystopias are too competent, too well organized, too serious. I feel like we're headed somewhere between the satire of Neal Stephenson and the lunatic delirium of Philip K. Dick.

100%

I know that "Idiocracy" gets thrown around all the time, but the reason I think it does is that they do have advanced tech but at the same time everyone is a blathering idiot. That's what gets me about our present reality - on one hand we supposedly have all the world's information at our fingertips, but the absolute dumbest, most bullshit theories get real traction and cause real damage.

When they had the UFC fight on the White House lawn I thought it couldn't be a better example of life imitating art.

Re: New Worlds: We are living in the future of J.G. Ballard or William Gibson

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I disagree. Gibson's dystopias are too competent, too well organized, too serious. I feel like we're headed somewhere between the satire of Neal Stephenson and the lunatic delirium of Philip K. Dick.

With CRISPR and AI, sapient pearwood is just a few years out.

Re: New Worlds: We are living in the future of J.G. Ballard or William Gibson

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The only reason I know who J.G. Ballard is is because of Jean Baudrillard. I'm convinced it was the similarity of their names which convinced Jean to read J.G's work.

Where would you recommend I start with J.G.? I got into Baudrillard and have been meaning to go further down the train of thought.

My favorite is "The Best Short Stories of J.G. Ballard".

It has some of his best sci-fi, and they're all under 50 pages. His longer fiction (Cocaine Nights, Empire of the Sun, etc.) is okay, but IMO short stories are where he really shined.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/70239.The_Best_Short_Sto...

Re: New Worlds: We are living in the future of J.G. Ballard or William Gibson

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Something recently occured to me. The plot of the 1967 movie Billion Dollar Brain (the less-successful followup to the more famous 1965 The Ipcress File and 1966 Funeral in Berlin, all starring Michael Caine as Harry Palmer), while I though the movie plot kind of stupid when I first saw it years ago, the plot is today actually completely plausible, and it is odd that no modern James Bond or Impossible Mission-style movie has done it.

Re: New Worlds: We are living in the future of J.G. Ballard or William Gibson

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I am a big fan of both, but I think what's missing in reality, but in their fiction (and cyberpunk fiction in general) is a sense of coolness and caring about aesthetics. For all the evil that the mega corporations do in a Gibson novel, they still have an aesthetic appeal. Real-world corporations aren't that interesting. Amazon, Facebook, or Google have nothing "culturally" or aesthetically on Hosaka, Arasaka or Sens…

These companies do have an aesthetic, it's just not cool. Mike Merrill calls it "Corporate Memphis"; see https://www.wired.com/story/corporate-memphis-design-tech/.

Re: New Worlds: We are living in the future of J.G. Ballard or William Gibson

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The only reason I know who J.G. Ballard is is because of Jean Baudrillard. I'm convinced it was the similarity of their names which convinced Jean to read J.G's work.

Where would you recommend I start with J.G.? I got into Baudrillard and have been meaning to go further down the train of thought.

I highly recommend the “collected interviews” of Ballard that was released some years ago … very interesting exchanges and some almost shockingly present judgments about the future… Especially the future of media in the YouTube age.

Then I would read Empire of the Sun.

Re: New Worlds: We are living in the future of J.G. Ballard or William Gibson

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I am a big fan of both, but I think what's missing in reality, but in their fiction (and cyberpunk fiction in general) is a sense of coolness and caring about aesthetics. For all the evil that the mega corporations do in a Gibson novel, they still have an aesthetic appeal. Real-world corporations aren't that interesting. Amazon, Facebook, or Google have nothing "culturally" or aesthetically on Hosaka, Arasaka or Sens…

I would disagree with that, I've seen people anchor their own identity to that of brands like Apple or Disney. They may not be aesthetics you find cool, but clearly they appeal to a large number of others.

Apple is the only big tech company with a decent aesthetic tho.
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