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Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by tonytamps »

OroPla wrote: post #45

While this is a nice feature, needing an account (nevermind paying) to then only get a meta search engine will prevent me from ever using it. I already spread my searches across at least four different engines (Bing, Ecosia, Startpage & Yandex), so no single provider has a complete profile of all my searches. I certainly won't be paying to hand over my data.

I don't think your strategy is as effective as you think it is for protecting your privacy online. You should also read Kagi's privacy policy before implying Kagi would harm your privacy model.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by BeetleB »

bradyd wrote: post #35
tome wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? If I visit https://old.reddit.com/r/haskell/ in private mode (i.e. without my auth cookies) then I am asked to log in.

Yeah, that loads right up for me.

Not for me - both at work and home. I need to be logged in.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by no-name-here »

SoftTalker wrote: post #55
no-name-here wrote: post #9

Would the biggest impact of this be for things like news sources? I guess the idea is that ads are preferrable, as ads and paywalls seem to be two of the primary existing ways that such places support themselves (or don't)?

Except for maybe some very local stories, almost all news is available on free sites, or will be shortly once the story breaks.

Are we talking a company rewording reporting that a different news company hired 1 or more journalists, etc. to originally report? And in this example, are the sites "free" because ads are enabled?

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by rvz »

sarjann wrote: post #47
SamBam wrote: post #5

Hmmm, so if you are looking for some news item, you'll only find AI-written clickbait articles covered in pop-up ads, rather than any news sites that employ journalists?

That's why it's a choice. If you weren't going to sign up to a site then it's just a pure degradation of experience to see links you can't use.

I agree it is a choice.

That's why it is a choice for companies to not pay for (human) software engineers anymore for writing software and to get all the agents to do the work and write the software that we use today.

Just like how we will see articles now being written by AI that will rank in Kagi instead of human written articles.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by mrngld »

bluGill wrote: post #50
getfacl wrote: post #10

This makes sense to me as a Kagi user. The chance that I'm going to subscribe to read an article I found via a search is zero.

If they had a "here is what I'm currently subscribed to" that might be valuable. Everybody should subscribe to the local news paper - to get local news. Things that matter to them that they won't hear about. (Odds are you the reader do not live in the same city as me and so have no interest in who is on my local school board - but I'm trying to figure out who to vote for and need more information than I can find). Ho…

I'd be onboard with supporting a local newspaper -- if they hadn't gone all-in with aligning themselves to a particular political tribe. They're part of the problem Ground News makes obvious to a hilarious degree, where if something happens that doesn't fit the narrative you just will never see it if you only look at their platform. Given that not everyone has a reputable local newspaper I don't know that saying "everybody should" is necessarily sound advice.

Anyway, you can block sources individually in Kagi, that can weed out the most common paywall options you don't have, like Forbes or whatever.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by john_strinlai »

OroPla wrote: post #61
demibabs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don’t get it. Do people want actual journalism to go out of business?

Didn't journalism go out of business decades ago and now not even pretends to be journalism anymore? I feel it has gotten so bad that most younger people alive today do not even realize what journalism is supposed to be: only report the facts, never add your own opinion to the facts, if there is more than one side, ask each side and report what each side has to say without omitting or adding anything. These are just…

>Didn't journalism go out of business decades ago and now not even pretends to be journalism anymore?

it seems rarer, for sure. perhaps the quantity of good journalism is the same but there's a lot more trash to sift through?

but i wouldnt say it went out of business or anything. there's some fantastic journalists out there still.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by vincnetas »

ohyoutravel wrote: post #66
delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #59

I think this is amazing. Love Kagi. I’m happy to pay for a good search. Nobody speaks about their AI Assistant, but it is really good. They somehow harnessed it so that it mainly searches info first and sticks to the verifiable data. I prefer it to Claude or any other, because it actually answers the question I need without fluff or “Great question! Here’s some plausible nonsense you can trip over instead of doing ac…

I use it for any first pass searches. It’s great. Add a ? at the end of a search and get an annotated answer. Super happy with it and super happy to keep paying. Plus they send me stickers sometimes that go on my laptop that serve as a conversation starter to evangelize Kagi a bit in person. One of the only few services I happily pay for.

i also want stickers...

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by bee_rider »

mcny wrote: post #54
bee_rider wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is just people without accounts who are being blocked, and maybe it is regional?

If I could wave a magic wand, I would implement this like some kind of token replenishment or quota system like every IP address gets to access old dot like a very low number and if you log in with the same IP address you get more quota or replenished a little faster if you also come in with no auth like from a private window. Of course, in an ideal world we wouldn't have to do anything like this but yes, regional is…

Is that trickery NAT, network address translation? It is a pretty widespread technique I think, we’d have run out of ipv4 addresses a while ago without it.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by angel- »

bradyd wrote: post #24
tempest_ wrote: post #3

I've been enjoying Kagi for the last couple years. Even as LLMs slurp up most of the internet and replace search I think Kagi is still useful. Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account and the ability to filter out stuff like that is useful.

> Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account Old Reddit still works just fine without an account.

Not working for me either without an account anymore. Seems like a very recent change.
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