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Re: New Product From 280North: Atlas

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My punt is that Apple is going to make a big enterprise play in the next 2-3 years. Time is ripe, and it can be done without a big investment in capital. Wait until Steve Jobs publicly denounces enterprise IT as a business with no future. He'll be right, in more ways than one.

"-enterprise IT as a business with no future. He'll be right, in more ways than one." Can you clarify? Because that seems very misinformed. Unless you mean on-premise deployments, which has been on the way out for years. With SaaS + cloud computing, Enterprise IT is just starting to get interesting again.

I can't give this topic the justice it deserves in an HN comment, but yes I'll clarify.

In 10 years time, the "IT Department" virtually won't exist at most small-mid size businesses.

I think a lot of business software is going to be taken off-the-peg, or plug-boarded from open source software as interfaces approach ubiquity and organisations like government, banking and b2b start to expose consistent "APIs". It's already happening now.

We also have gen X and Y moving into senior management and the internet generation actually moving into work. Computer skills are getting to the point of being virtually innate.

Acquiring computer equipment will be analogous in business to buying a photocopier or some other office equipment.

Re: New Product From 280North: Atlas

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It's fascinating to watch the re-invention of the browser as a NeWS server (client in normal terminology) from nearly 20 years ago. Postscript imaging model == HTML5 Canvas, Postscript == Javascript. Hmm...

But was NeWS a good idea? It seemed excessively complex to me, just like AJAX.

Re: New Product From 280North: Atlas

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That's pretty amazing. It's like Interface Builder but for Cappuccino ... and as a web app. I can't believe how awesome these guys are, I hope Apple acquires them and starts using their technology for MobileMe + iWork.

I believe some if not all of the guys working at 280 North are ex-Apple engineers.

Re: New Product From 280North: Atlas

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It's fascinating to watch the re-invention of the browser as a NeWS server (client in normal terminology) from nearly 20 years ago. Postscript imaging model == HTML5 Canvas, Postscript == Javascript. Hmm...

But was NeWS a good idea? It seemed excessively complex to me, just like AJAX.

I didn't mean to imply it was a good idea, just that this model, like X Windows, has already been tried before (and found wanting?).

Re: New Product From 280North: Atlas

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This really is amazing. But it makes me nervous. I'm open to the idea, but just as I prefer using a text editor to write my HTML code rather than Dreamweaver, I'm concerned that this can take me too far away from my web app code.

Like any other tool, in order to use it effectively you have to master the tool just like you'd master a language. Hopefully what's under the hood here and the code it generates makes it easy to do that.

Re: New Product From 280North: Atlas

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it is cool, but these tools exist for desktop apps too yet no one i know actually uses them.

the problem continues to be generated code...its bloated, has performance issues, and can't be maintained as easily as it can be created

Re: New Product From 280North: Atlas

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Does anyone know of any large projects using Objective-J / Cappuccino besides 280North?

Were currently using it: http://stylous.com/

Cool. I browsed some of the products. Is it possible to browse by sex? When I was looking at shoes, I saw stilettos, even though I'm not shopping for my weekly drag show in Las Vegas.
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