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Post by mitemte » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 12:08 PM UTC

ericpauley wrote: post #147

makingstuffs wrote: post #102

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I don’t understand this mentality which I see over and over again on here. It’s not like the US frontier labs are beacons of morality and transparency. It’s also pretty accepted within this community that a lot of data fed to US tech companies ends up with the Israeli government. Meanwhile the current US government headed by Donny Tango has done a very thorough job of proving itself to be about as predictable and dep…

It’s really about incentives more than morals. I know that, being in the US, if Anthropic steals my company’s trade secrets through model inputs contrary to our policy that I will (in theory) have legal standing and enforceable contracts against them. The same is not true against DeepSeek, and especially not against “Stealth”.

Post by tw1984 » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 12:15 PM UTC

glub wrote: post #134

walrus01 wrote: post #6

I highly recommend feeding all your proprietary data and confidential personal information into this model as quickly as possible. What could possibly go wrong?! In terms of equivalence of suspicion, this is the external inference provider equivalent of getting free steak that was smuggled out of a grocery store inside somebody's pants.

Just a few years ago, people would lose their marbles if some software installed a background agent to send you notifications or something. Now we agreed that it's totally normal to have software that does remote code execution on our machines, for which it first has to transfer all data to a remote server. We've already normalized this. It doesn't really matter who gets access to said machine/data - they will all re…

Post by troupo » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 12:27 PM UTC

azalemeth wrote: post #101

fedpost wrote: post #14

It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse. Side tangent, why is fable so weird about questions involving "Welch's method"? Even really trivial ones it'll shut down frequently. CFAR and STFT are both totally fine but Welch's is apparently taboo, it's wild.

I suspect Fable refuses to talk about anything biology whatsoever (so much so that I can't use it) -- and Welch's test, i.e. an unequal variance t test, is beloved by biologists. Stupid, but there ya go...

Post by lukewarm707 » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 12:51 PM UTC

Aurornis wrote: post #67

walrus01 wrote: post #6

I highly recommend feeding all your proprietary data and confidential personal information into this model as quickly as possible. What could possibly go wrong?! In terms of equivalence of suspicion, this is the external inference provider equivalent of getting free steak that was smuggled out of a grocery store inside somebody's pants.

I'm kind of fascinated by how many of the same audiences who are highly skeptical of OpenAI and Anthropic are the same people running straight to other country's models. The most oft-repeated rebuttal I've heard is that they don't care what other government know about them. I guess their threat model hasn't considered any privacy issues, data mining, or leakage risks, just the possibility of the federal government do…

Post by re-thc » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 1:01 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #15

fedpost wrote: post #14

It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse. Side tangent, why is fable so weird about questions involving "Welch's method"? Even really trivial ones it'll shut down frequently. CFAR and STFT are both totally fine but Welch's is apparently taboo, it's wild.

Rumors from other sources based on how it behaves it's mimo v3