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Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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I don't know if I buy this framing. The intro Pearl Jam story is only noteworthy because it's unique. Cobain wasn't one of a million examples of counter-culture; we still talk about him today because it was uniquely his brand (to be incredibly famous while seemingly rejecting the fame). Michael Jackson's hair caught on fire filming a Pepsi commercial in 1984. Bill Cosby famously hawked Jell-O Pudding. Sports stars we…

I don't know about the framing, won't speculate on causes, but the phenomenon being described is real. I have no idea how far it goes back, at least to Woody Guthrie if we're just describing people who history and artistic output I'm personally aware of, but I'm sure more than that. What the author is writing about specifically began with baby boomer countercultures of the 60s rejecting commercialism in any form. Part of that ethos for many would have also rejected any movie starring Ronald Reagan or playing sports (other than maybe running).

But everything can be co-opted. When whatever real world Don Draper managed to use hippieism to sell Coca Cola in 1971, that began the discrediting of this first wave, and punk eventually emerged as a second wave. The rockers versus disco shenanigans may have included punk, but punk as its own distinct culture rejected larger scale rock and roll just as much. As a musical movement, it was a rejection of Kiss and Aerosmith more than Donna Summer.

But then punk, too, stayed underground in the hardcore movement the cited Beastie Boys were a part of in the 80s, but also influenced mainstream rock, and grunge emerged as a rejection of that, the excesses of hair metal, glam, and even something like Guns n Roses.

Then grunge softened into "alternative rock" and Nirvana became Goo Goo Dolls. The author's point is where is the reaction to that? It feels like grunge was the last true anti-consumerism rejection of musicians selling out, softening their sound to become more popular. I've been watching Daria for the first time in 30 years the past few weeks, which I watched originally but barely remembered, and it hits hard these days. It explores this exact dynamic quite well. Daria's parents are middle-aged ex-hippies questioning themselves for becoming an attorney and a consultant. Daria herself won't wear makeup and worries about replacing her glasses with contacts because it will make her more attractive and thus less authentic. She gets mad at Jane for joining the track team because of how bought-in she to the notion that a jock of any kind is already selling their soul whether they have success or not. She isn't mad at being unpopular. She wants to be unpopular. That was a very real ethos of the 90s I remember experiencing quite starkly myself. Popularity as inherently bad, aligning your incentives as a person less to being true to yourself and more to being what others want you to be.

Do teens of the 20s still experience anything like that? You'd think it would be universal, but if there's any musical movements associated with it, I'm not aware of them. There's the revival of socialism and distrust of capitalism, eat the rich, but as I think the author is getting at, Che and Castro probably wouldn't have spared Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift. The remaining question for me is whether this is still true in actual youth culture. I think the author and myself are probably dating each other here. Even Taylor Swift is nearly 40. Her concerts are selling for so much because her fans are in their 30s and actually have money. I'm not sure this is what actual kids and teenagers are listening to and whatever their sentiments about culture and consumerism may be, us adults probably don't even know. It's the nature of underground movements that most of us don't learn about them until they go mainstream.

Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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Oreo changed their recipe to cardboard flavor relatively recently, within the past decade or so.

My question is whether they really changed the recipe again to now taste like music instead of cardboard, or is it just clever marketing in a shiny smaller package?

Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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Author is way off base. Might as well tell me to stop breathing air, except they stopped selling air 6 years ago and I’ve been gasping ever since. Chromatica Oreos were absolutely wonderful (as far as mass produced garbage that is unfit for human consumption is concerned) and I miss them dearly. Telling me to stop eating them is like telling me to stop seeing a boyfriend who died tragically years ago. Worse, it bring…

> when Oreo Coke (actually good, unlike Coke Oreo) came into my life Sometimes I think Americans are completely lost to the rest of us, residing in a haze of consumerism and political divide as they do. Then sometimes I read something like this and I cannot deny a certain curiosity as regards the finer differences between Oreo Coke and Coke Oreo. We have coke in my country (of both the Coca Cola and cocaine varieties…

Pretty simple. You buy coke from your regular coke dealer, and put it in an Oreo cookie.

Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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> It's hard to communicate "no, it's hard to understand, but this blend of candies is especially worth trying," so the best way to do that is to have a celebrity vouch for it. Your view is very optimistic, you're trying to see the mega-brands in the best possible light. I would almost call it euphemistic. Celebrities don't vouch for a product, they're not reviewers (although they can be paid to pretend to be one), th…

> If your product is that good, it'll spread the same way products became popular in the past - through word of mouth, people recommending it to one another, getting their friends to try it. Most products fail. All the products you see in the stores are the result of a massive war that’s constantly being waged by companies fighting to the death. Anyone serious about selling something either needs to bootstrap the cra…

In the capitalist Utopia that would be true, but that is not the case in any country on this planet. The war being waged is not based on customer choice, its based on backroom dealing, who you know and invester interrests.

The products used by many are the products their investors have an interest boosting. One example look at what SaaS startups seeded on this site use, other SaaS from same network and investors.

Nothing about it based on war of pricing, quality or experience.

Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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> The only thing that’s unprecedented about these craven cash-ins is how well they seem to be working. Selling out no longer carries a stigma—if anything, fans are excited for tie-ins between their favorite bands and their favorite brands, no matter how shameless. I feel like this only really makes sense in contrast to specifically the 90s? This wasn't some eternal cultural rule that changed in the 2000s, it's just t…

No, but it was big in the 90s. Anti corporate and anti commercial rock and grunge was really big.

It really was “I hate success. Down with consumerism, buy my t-shirt”

Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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>That feeling part of a larger anti-consumerist vibe percolating through culture at the time. No, now this is not how I remember it at all. It was entirely limited to that era of music. Back then, Michael Jordan got hundreds of millions on just his sneakers. Nobody dared to think he was "selling out". George Foreman grills were hot. Gretzky was into selling you quite a lot of stuff. Shaq has never stopped doing TV co…

Those people are not artists though, they're athletes. I think with the word "culture" the author is mainly referring to forms of art such as movies, music, tv, and literature.

There was more than plenty of names in music and tv that sold you stuff back then.

https://adland.tv/diet-pepsi-ray-charles-uh-huh-you-got-righ...

Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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A band covering a song for a Hyundai ad? Michael Jackson did a parody of his own song Billie Jean for Pepsi ("You're the Pepsi generation")

Michael Jackson was a pop star. Selling out was never a sin in pop music.

arguably Maroon 5 is and always has been pop too

Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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Reminds me of a recent article I read about an actor (whose name I don't remember) who had a decent career (but not very famous) quitting as he said that the job has basically become self-promotion via social media instead of practicing a craft (in other words, being popular on social media gets you the gigs).

Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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I really liked Selena Gomez's Oreos, but I would prefer that Oreo brought them back as "horchata flavored" or "cinnamon cream flavored" so I didn't have awkward conversations every time I accidentally said, "I like Selena Gomez flavor" and people would ask how I knew what Selena Gomez tasted like.

I would also like to know the flavour of Selena Gomez (Oreos), those sound tasty. Yea, that's a little awkward, but what is life for if not the awkward enjoyment of a musician's flavour.

It's basically a cinnamon flavoring added to regular oreos. They were aiming for the taste of horchata.

Re: Stop eating Lady Gaga's Oreos

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If your product is that good, it'll spread the same way products became popular in the past - through word of mouth, people recommending it to one another, getting their friends to try it. Most products fail. All the products you see in the stores are the result of a massive war that’s constantly being waged by companies fighting to the death. Anyone serious about selling something either needs to bootstrap the cra…

In the capitalist Utopia that would be true, but that is not the case in any country on this planet. The war being waged is not based on customer choice, its based on backroom dealing, who you know and invester interrests. The products used by many are the products their investors have an interest boosting. One example look at what SaaS startups seeded on this site use, other SaaS from same network and investors. Not…

I’ve been investing in the VC space since about 2019. I can assure you that you are just wrong. Venture capital is alive and well well in America and it represents large swaths of products. These startups take on giants everyday and win.
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