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AI companies destroy physical books – let's scan rare books before it's too late

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Re: AI companies destroy physical books – let's scan rare books before it's too late

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Post by impossiblefork »

skeledrew wrote: post #181
guax wrote: post #167

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I think is the scanning for profit and destroying them in the process that angries people. If they we’re just kept where they were you can always say they’ll eventually be scanned or have that potential. I do believe the issue is a bit overblown but the core of it sounds reasonable to me.

Shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they want with the copy they bought, and so legally own? Isn't that the entire purpose behind "copy right"?

Of course they shouldn't.

If the books are rare enough there's a shared cultural value that is being destroyed.

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Post by exe34 »

scarmig wrote: post #146
soperj wrote: post #138

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They're buying the books from resellers, not rescuing these books from dumpsters. Stop being an apologist.

The magical library in the countryside, to be painfully explicit, does not exist.

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Re: AI companies destroy physical books – let's scan rare books before it's too late

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Post by tene80i »

mrweasel wrote: post #216
tene80i wrote: post #170

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Plenty of written works aren’t “information” but rather art. Most piracy is just about people preferring not to pay for novels, TV and film.

There is also a ton of tv shows, movies, music and books that you cannot buy, for now real good reason. I wouldn't be surprised that if in a few years there will be shows and movies that are only exists as pirated versions. With things increasingly only being available on streaming platforms or behind DRM in other ways, we risk looking back on the current era as a black hole 50 years from now. My concern is that less…

I agree there is an archival justification. I just don’t think that’s why most people who pirate things are doing it.

Re: AI companies destroy physical books – let's scan rare books before it's too late

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Post by tene80i »

guax wrote: post #188
tene80i wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of written works aren’t “information” but rather art. Most piracy is just about people preferring not to pay for novels, TV and film.

Or not being able to. Regional licensing, missing and shuffling content. To watch the world cup I had to spin up a VM in Brazil to watch it with Portuguese narration because the free transmissions are region locked. I would gladly pay 5 bucks for it if it was possible otherwise and avoid the hassle.

There was no way in your country to pay and watch it? FIFA will have sold the tv rights there to someone, surely. In which case your complaint is what, that it was expensive?

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Post by tene80i »

dombiscoff wrote: post #205
tene80i wrote: post #170

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Plenty of written works aren’t “information” but rather art. Most piracy is just about people preferring not to pay for novels, TV and film.

Art is information, always.

It’s not tautological. Explain why, and particularly why it’s only information, which is the thing that purportedly wishes to be free.

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Post by annapanna »

skeledrew wrote: post #169
customguy wrote: post #145

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> force AI companies to shred books they want to ingest. Nothing forces them to shred books, they do it because it's slightly cheaper that way.

They do it because, for each work, they bought one copy, which they scan and no longer need the physical version of, and would be in copyright violation if they keep more copies than they bought.

>and would be in copyright violation if they keep more copies than they bought.

They can contact the copyright holder and ask/buy a license to make multiple copies.

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Post by lanyard-textile »

eru wrote: post #54
tptacek wrote: post #31

These stories are weird, because actual professional specialized book dealers pulp books by the millions . People keep pointing out, and it doesn't seem to sink in, that model trainers only have use for a single copy of a book. Even if they were literally burning these books to spite you, they'd be destroying an infinitesimal fraction of the books the book trade already destroys. It is not natural in the industry to…

And the solution to the water issues can be found in any introductory textbook on the subject: a water price. > People keep pointing out, and it doesn't seem to sink in, that model trainers only have use for a single copy of a book. Please pardon the tangent: that's what always bothered me about the Borg in Star Trek. Why do they need to assimilate whole species? I'm sure there are enough volunteers in the federation…

> Why do they need to assimilate whole species?

So then they're gone :)

When the borg is threatened ("threatened") by a race, they choose to effectively end their way of life one way or the other. That is done by assimilation or by death.

If only a single outstanding member of a species becomes a threat, that's a strong signal for their overall potential; therefore everything needs to go, the sooner the better.

Re: AI companies destroy physical books – let's scan rare books before it's too late

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Post by signa11 »

ezfe wrote: post #2

I dislike these AI companies but let's be clear here: the copyright holders are the ones locking these books up. If they don't want to print more copies, then they could release the copyright on them. Instead, they enforce the copyright and force AI companies to shred books they want to ingest. edit: Also, an AI company would only ever care to purchase, scan, destroy a book once. Presumably many books have more than…

mr. vernor-vinge's "Rainbows End" is oddly prescient ! Highly recommended nevertheless.

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Post by hparadiz »

annapanna wrote: post #226
skeledrew wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do it because, for each work, they bought one copy, which they scan and no longer need the physical version of, and would be in copyright violation if they keep more copies than they bought.

>and would be in copyright violation if they keep more copies than they bought. They can contact the copyright holder and ask/buy a license to make multiple copies.

yes and they can ask for a pony and then a unicorn too
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