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Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Post by dgellow »

harimau777 wrote: post #82
jmward01 wrote: post #57

I don't see an easy test here. Worse, I see the beginnings of a test that is technical and very likely to not match the future of how we will interact with these things. We have to start somewhere but I'm not sure 'Neither mere prompting nor the selection between several AI suggestions is sufficient as a human creative contribution.' is the right place to start. I think we need more examples of what does constitute '…

My test would be: Until the AI companies pay back what they have already stolen, then anything that uses AI at all cannot be copyrighted.

Who set the value? I wouldn’t have sold any of my content to ai companies for training, the payback would be basically infinite

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Post by dgellow »

somerandom2407 wrote: post #170
kazinator wrote: post #122

Suppose that an artist trains an AI model purely on their own works, and then the AI generates something similar to that artist's work. I would say that the artist must be allowed to assert copyright over that. The artist has copyright over all the training data, and the output of the AI is a derived work of that.

What do you think should happen if an artist views a lot of arts over their lifetime and then themself generates something similar to another artist's work? I would argue that collectively humans have been standing on the backs of other humans all throughout history. An artist today does not simply come out of the womb knowing how to make great art - they learn it by observing other art, learning about art and practi…

I really wish the « what about humans » line of reasoning would die, it’s a lazy way to avoid engaging with the actual LLM questions

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Post by dgellow »

xphos wrote: post #29
generationP wrote: post #10

Why should anyone want to have copyright on AI-generated content?

I feel like this question is typed wrong but the same reason someone wants copyright on human work to make money by prevent other people from stealing your work

Not just money, FLOSS relies on copyright laws

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Post by bestouff »

butvacuum wrote: post #154
collabs wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in favor of copyright reform so eventually it becomes something like two years automatic with a one time two year extension possible an I agree with you because of one key word — raw. Once the footage is used in a package, be it a movie, a news report, or a music video, that package can be copyrighted. The problem is there is no way the owner of a dashcam can prohibit commercial use of a video they own if it can…

people freqently spend more than two years trying to get something published.

Not on YouTube.

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Post by dgellow »

Ekaros wrote: post #146
Balooga wrote: post #52

This then implies that in the EU, AI-generated content cannot have a license applied? MIT, GPL, CC, etc?

Yes. Also CC is complicated in EU. A creator can not "give up" their copy right. Work can not put to "Public Domain" as creator.

Is that for the whole EU? I understood it was country specific, for example France doesn’t let you give up your copyright, but other EU members do

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Post by RegardPointer »

leobg wrote: post #173
t-writescode wrote: post #6

This matches historical precedent in other nations where copyright was not extended to a photographer when a primate took a photo of themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...

All this talk of animal rights, and then this! /s

Haaaahahahahah this is the smart humor we all come for here lmao!!!!

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Post by Ekaros »

dgellow wrote: post #186
Ekaros wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Also CC is complicated in EU. A creator can not "give up" their copy right. Work can not put to "Public Domain" as creator.

Is that for the whole EU? I understood it was country specific, for example France doesn’t let you give up your copyright, but other EU members do

Makes it even worse. Basically it hugely depends. For example Finland allows letting go of commercial exploitation rights and even make binding statement on that. But still there always remains right for them to be informed if copies are being published.

Not to even mention moral rights on how such work can or can not be changed if it would be disparaging for example...

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