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Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

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Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

#101

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I also see no virtue in stopping an AI from reading something to begin with. If anything, I find it anti-social - hide your work from the machine trying to learn from it, taking nothing away from you in exchange for benefiting all of mankind?

> taking nothing away from you Hosting is not free.

That is the problem. I believe web is long overdue for a torrent like model where hosting is shared among all users (and ISPs instead of 'cloudflares').

Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also see no virtue in stopping an AI from reading something to begin with. If anything, I find it anti-social - hide your work from the machine trying to learn from it, taking nothing away from you in exchange for benefiting all of mankind?

> taking nothing away from you Hosting is not free.

That is the problem. I believe web is long overdue for a torrent like model where hosting is shared among all users (and ISPs).

Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

#103
post #76

> The public posts and discussions being had about this subject are already informing AI companies on how to train their multimodal models to get around these obfuscations, most of which have already been broken. I'd argue every new font and tech demo is effectively a benchmark, daring AI firms come up with solutions to sidestep them. And they will be sidestepped, one way or another. If a human can see the informatio…

The main argument against these fonts is that you are removing accessibility for humans permanently in exchange for removing accessibility for scrapers temporarily. It might raise the cost for some scrapers, to some degree, but it raises the cost to, effectively, infinity for anyone who needs to use a screen reader, a browser's 'reader' view, or any other assistive technology. Things like this just remind me of EA's…

So scrapers are using those people as hostages. So let's have something like a HTML meta tag to link to an accessible version of a website and hard jail for using it for scraping.

It's not a technical issue, it's a social one, people behave differently given the same set of possibilities and incentives, and we can and should target those who fuck it up for everyone.

Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

#104
post #49

The irony of championing accessibility using low-contrast simulated VGA text...

Also the notion that the sides of the pages flash as you scroll due to simulating that old Macintosh monochrome monitor dithering effect. My eyes.

Isn't that because you (and me!) have screens with slow response times for pixel color change though?

Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

#105
post #100

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I'm advocating for a litmus test that can't be easily abused, and I'm advocating against unfair equivalences. I also am not calling "overall a benefit to humanity" a metric, it's more of a conclusion we could arrive at by an application of relevant metrics.

> a conclusion we could arrive at by an application of relevant metrics. That’s dangerous ground because of how you can arbitrarily change weights of different metrics. If the goal is the “overall benefit of humanity” then that’s what’s important not metrics.

How do you propose assessing "overall benefit of humanity" without metrics?

Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

#107

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> taking nothing away from you Hosting is not free.

That is the problem. I believe web is long overdue for a torrent like model where hosting is shared among all users (and ISPs instead of 'cloudflares').

Opera Unite. The idea was that hosting HTML should be as simple as browsing it.

Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

#108
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a conclusion we could arrive at by an application of relevant metrics. That’s dangerous ground because of how you can arbitrarily change weights of different metrics. If the goal is the “overall benefit of humanity” then that’s what’s important not metrics.

How do you propose assessing "overall benefit of humanity" without metrics?

Qualitative assessment etc not just metrics.

How do you propose to asses “overall benefit to humanity” with metrics?

Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

#109
post #36

Thanks for introducing me to shieldfont.org! It's the first of these I've seen that feels designed to be more than a visual experiment, reading through their landing page is interesting. In particular, their section on accessibility seems to contradict this post's opening premise: > Screen readers get the real words. A screen reader reading down the page is never handed scrambled text, and our NVDA test asserts exact…

A bit ironic that this is written in idiomatic Claudese.

Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful

#110

This author greatly overestimates how much I care about accessibility. If I have to block a blind person from reading my blog to block an AI from training on it, I'll make that trade every time.

I think the line of reasoning that a method should provide as much accessibility as possible to not alienate real humans is a good one. You use 'have to' as if there aren't better solutions that could be invented, but such will only occur if we challenge the imperfect solutions we have now.
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