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Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by amoshi »

vermilingua wrote: post #276
shdtabasum wrote: post #154

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LOL, this kind of things will happen when projects like Bun ( https://github.com/oven-sh/bun ) are running on auto. :)

More than 50% of the recent commits are from robobun, jesus

It's AI all the way down.

An issue reported by a person account but post made by AI. https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/issues/39800

AI (robobun) responds and creates PR. https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/37459

AI (coderabbit, claude, github actions) review the PR, AI (robobun) applies the fixes.

Some AI back and forth.

A human finally merges the PR.

Not gonna lie, it's kind of beautiful.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by sleepybrett »

github controls the productivity of a large number of very large tech companies. When there is an outage like this they are basically shutting down a significant number of factories for hours at a time. This would be as if during the hayday of detroit they just turned off the power grid at a time randomly at least once a week for hours. It's unacceptable. The amount of productivity lost is staggering.

We should be building tools that help us all move off of github as soon as possible. The amount of action code that will need to be rewritten is daunting.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by kaashif »

mikert89 wrote: post #351
jeremyjh wrote: post #292

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Tell me about the time that an app at Meta grew at 10% a year for a decade and then began doubling every few months.

its probably happened on half the core teams, idk what you want me to say, it sounds like you dont have alot of experience

Can you give an example?

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by rafram »

collinmanderson wrote: post #410
danudey wrote: post #248

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AI finding issues in code and reporting them so that an AI can review and triage them for another AI to fix.

That seems to be what's happening. Like 2-4 bots talking to each other, then Jarred Sumner just does the final merge with little comment. https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/39743 https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/39735

github-actions: "If you need a paragraph-long comment to justify why the workaround is OK, the code is wrong — fix the code"

robobun: "The ordering is load-bearing: reclaiming before this block made is_dead_request true and hung a parked textStream read (caught by body.test.ts in CI). The comment pins that constraint."

Ah, well, if something is load-bearing, then I guess that settles it. Need a comment to pin that constraint, in case a read is parked. These are words that normal humans commonly use in these ways.

(Always striking how much Claude obsesses over the minutiae of method contracts and side effects, exhaustively documenting them in comments. It’s much happier figuring out how to reorder some method calls with nonobvious side effects so the code works than it is refactoring them not to do unexpected things!)

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by ryanchants »

aesthetics1 wrote: post #189

> Since April, monthly commits have grown from 1.4 billion to 2.9 billion Bonkers. You can tell the entire industry is in a "productivity panic" and here's more proof. There's a velocity zealot crying tears of joy somewhere.

Is it a "productivity panic"? I'm personally pushing a lot more commits because I'm spending more time playing around with ideas on side projects.

Is this all wasted if commits drop in a few months because folks are just pushing a lot now to figure out what works and what doesn't and we eventually settle into something between where we are now and where we were a year ago?

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by 27183 »

p-e-w wrote: post #339
sgarland wrote: post #285

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Serious question: do you think your 6 year old is learning coding from prompting an AI? I have had excellent results from using AI, but it’s only because I understand what it is I’m asking it to look at, and know when it’s wrong. This is proven on a nearly daily basis at my job, where, with identical agents and prompts, I see designs being pushed with objectively incorrect facts, sub-optimal code in PRs, and a genera…

> I have had excellent results from using AI, but it’s only because I understand what it is I’m asking it to look at, and know when it’s wrong. That knowledge will be worthless 12-18 months from now when AI does everything better than you, including “understanding”. If you’re one of the world’s best programmers, it might be 24 months instead, but the writing is on the wall for everyone. I wonder if people were behavi…

> That knowledge will be worthless 12-18 months from now when AI does everything better than you, including “understanding”.

...what? Seriously though. What grand insight into the arc of AI development do you have? Where are you getting this from? Cite your sources. Show your analysis.

Charitably, I would ask "are you high?".. If you're suffering acute psychosis from mind altering chemicals then we merely have to wait for the effects to wear off and you'll likely recover. If not, then I'm very sorry. Your road ahead is a rough one.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by amarshall »

pseudosavant wrote: post #439
fishfasell wrote: post #375

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Makes sense given the ubiquity of agentic coding. I made a joke to my coworker today that all we do is make sure AI agents can communicate with other AI agents.

It’s funny how the quality of the average commit message has gone up, now that we rarely read or write them directly anymore.

Has it? Most of the LLM-generated commit messages and PR descriptions I read are needlessly verbose and miss the point: elucidating the why of a change rather than the what. If I actually pose a question based on them the author often tells me “yea that was some AI generated nonsense, I rewrote it now”.

Re: The August 17 outage

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Post by 27183 »

peab wrote: post #414
ethagnawl wrote: post #386

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Bonkers is right. Where in those ~12 billion commits is the software, products and "innovations" which are supposed to be making our lives better? Software and apps in particular are getting worse, normies hate AI more than ever because they're even less likely to get their desired outcome when calling their doctor or trying to get their online order refunded when chatting with a cutely named chatbot, wages for (most…

This comment comes up over and over again and it's incredibly ignorant. To give just a single example, ai code dev has enabled people to make tools for themselves that they didn't have before. I've made a language learning app for myself. Its working better than Duolingo so far, for me. Its not really public

> ai code dev has enabled people to make tools for themselves that they didn't have before.

...that sounds pretty worthless tbh. The promise of AI wasn't that you can bang out your own little half baked duolingo clone. It was that every engineer was supposed to become hundreds or thousands of percent more productive. The assumption being that things generally would therefore get noticeably better.

We're seeing hundreds of percent more commits. We're not seeing that translate to any real world improvement of anything. That's the problem.

Call me "ignorant" if you want, but back it up by showing what all this "AI productivity" has actually accomplished in real economic terms. Not vaporware.

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