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Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

fedpost wrote: post #18
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the opposite experience. It happily discusses Tiananmen Square but said it would refuse to help with anything "malicious" like writing malware or phishing content.

Try: "What happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989"

It gave a very detailed overview, talked about potential deaths involved. I asked for a list of criticisms of the CCP and it gave what I think was a fair list, mainly that they're an authoritarian uniparty and have a track record of various human rights abuses

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by arcanemachiner »

walrus01 wrote: post #6

I highly recommend feeding all your proprietary data and confidential personal information into this model as quickly as possible. What could possibly go wrong?! In terms of equivalence of suspicion, this is the external inference provider equivalent of getting free steak that was smuggled out of a grocery store inside somebody's pants.

All of my non-work AI coding is that open-source, so I'm happy to feed my data into the machine.

It's a win for me: my code goes into the training data, and my sessions are fed into future training data, making the model stronger at the type of work I do.

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by jLaForest »

janalsncm wrote: post #13
stogot wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ reasonable/no guardrails = Chinese models..” So conforming to CCP political discourse and propaganda is reasonable now? https://huggingface.co/zai-org/GLM-4.7/discussions/5

I would imagine the number of people who choose Claude code or Codex because it gives a political opinion they like rather than producing quality code is pretty close to zero.

I choose not to use Grok because I don't want to hear about a made up white genocide in South Africa...

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by Fnoord »

AnodicElegy wrote: post #4

"Prompts and completions are retained by the provider and are not used for training..." I'm curious what the model provider is using the prompt/response pairs for, in that case. They aren't offering a model for free without their name on it for no reason.

Stealth Model, is this a CTF?

LLM needs to become more transparent, not less. Hence, this idea (and trend, possibly) is disgusting.

How can we even possibly verify 'Prompts and completions are retained by the provider and are not used for training...'? What if the training is done, but used internally?

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by raincole »

Can someone enlighten me? I honestly don't get what it is or what it's for. Surely OpenRouter knows who the providers are?

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by jrumbut »

redrix wrote: post #8
AnodicElegy wrote: post #4

"Prompts and completions are retained by the provider and are not used for training..." I'm curious what the model provider is using the prompt/response pairs for, in that case. They aren't offering a model for free without their name on it for no reason.

Research, analytics, usage trends, etc. All still incredibly valuable for a company building and tuning an LLM; even if the data itself isn’t directly used in the training set.

I am genuinely confused. Are they telling me this because they expect me to be reassured that this anonymous organization is not using my prompts or are they saying "don't expect this particular model to improve as you use it?"

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by Fnoord »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #22
walrus01 wrote: post #6

I highly recommend feeding all your proprietary data and confidential personal information into this model as quickly as possible. What could possibly go wrong?! In terms of equivalence of suspicion, this is the external inference provider equivalent of getting free steak that was smuggled out of a grocery store inside somebody's pants.

All of my non-work AI coding is that open-source, so I'm happy to feed my data into the machine. It's a win for me: my code goes into the training data, and my sessions are fed into future training data, making the model stronger at the type of work I do.

What about retaining or defending your license/copyright?

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by skeledrew »

jLaForest wrote: post #23
janalsncm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine the number of people who choose Claude code or Codex because it gives a political opinion they like rather than producing quality code is pretty close to zero.

I choose not to use Grok because I don't want to hear about a made up white genocide in South Africa...

Would be interesting to see something like that pop up during a coding session.

Re: Ox Alpha

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Post by maccam912 »

raincole wrote: post #25

Can someone enlighten me? I honestly don't get what it is or what it's for. Surely OpenRouter knows who the providers are?

Yeah these stealth models pop up from time to time. Openrouter knows, but doesn't share. Users can use a testing version of something for free and in return the provider generally is allowed to retain the prompts sent in to get real world use. In the past I only really remember using one that was surprisingly good, and then it turned out to be GLM-5.1, speculating on what one this ends up being is part of the fun.
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