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Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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I will add a pixel by "hand" with software on my computer.

Judges are not at all stupid enough to fall for that. You would get laughed out of court for that. Judges are not computers, and they can not be tricked with these kinds of technicalities.

In fact, the defense of "I wrote the prompts that led to the code that the LLM wrote" would be a much better defense.

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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I don't see an easy test here. Worse, I see the beginnings of a test that is technical and very likely to not match the future of how we will interact with these things. We have to start somewhere but I'm not sure 'Neither mere prompting nor the selection between several AI suggestions is sufficient as a human creative contribution.' is the right place to start. I think we need more examples of what does constitute '…

My test would be: Until the AI companies pay back what they have already stolen, then anything that uses AI at all cannot be copyrighted.

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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I think there is an easy test: if you didn’t write it, it’s not yours. If we go back 10 years and your friend says “I have an idea for an app, here it is,” and you build it, you own the copyright because you wrote it. You give an idea to the pile of math calculated of the stolen work of humanity, the math owns it (which it can’t, so no one owns it). No matter how detailed of a conversation you have with a friend, I d…

That's how you want it to be, but that's not how it is.

Then how it is needs to change.

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Where is this qualification in the legal language?

Where is the legal language?

Exactly, I don't know how the person I was replying to was making such confident statements about the situation.

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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That was a terrible ruling. It should be about who got the camera there and set it up, not who pushed the button. With automated recording (dashcams) there isn't even "a button." Hopefully no judge uses that as precedence.

> It should be about who got the camera there and set it up, not who pushed the button. With automated recording (dashcams), there isn't even "a button". I'm actually having a bit of trouble thinking of what sufficient societal good there is/would be in granting copyright on raw dashcam or security camera or the like footage? None of those purely mechanical automated systems need a subsidy or encouragement to generat…

A dashcam could be a safety tool for most people, but it could also be a strategically placed B-cam for a videographer on a shoot.

For what it’s worth, dashcam footage can absolutely be copyrightable.

The ruling is more about “only humans can get copyright protection”, not so much anything about whether a button is pressed or not.

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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it's sort of non-controversial at the extreme end I think - where there is no human contribution, why should there be protection? But it just begs the actual question of how much human contribution there needs to be: - I wrote the prompt (not enough) - I wrote many prompts and iteratively refined them using distinctly human skill (open question, but loosely seems still not enough, potentially in the EU but maybe in t…

I'd say that any use of an AI trained on people's creations without (real) consent and compensation should not be protected.

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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This matches historical precedent in other nations where copyright was not extended to a photographer when a primate took a photo of themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...

That was a terrible ruling. It should be about who got the camera there and set it up, not who pushed the button. With automated recording (dashcams) there isn't even "a button." Hopefully no judge uses that as precedence.

Dashcams and security footage definitely don’t have copyright protection. Are you seriously thinking that the construction worker who set up the camera would then have copyright over everything it records?

Re: Copyright does not protect AI-generated content in EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was a terrible ruling. It should be about who got the camera there and set it up, not who pushed the button. With automated recording (dashcams) there isn't even "a button." Hopefully no judge uses that as precedence.

> It should be about who got the camera there and set it up, not who pushed the button. With automated recording (dashcams), there isn't even "a button". I'm actually having a bit of trouble thinking of what sufficient societal good there is/would be in granting copyright on raw dashcam or security camera or the like footage? None of those purely mechanical automated systems need a subsidy or encouragement to generat…

I am in favor of copyright reform so eventually it becomes something like two years automatic with a one time two year extension possible an I agree with you because of one key word — raw. Once the footage is used in a package, be it a movie, a news report, or a music video, that package can be copyrighted. The problem is there is no way the owner of a dashcam can prohibit commercial use of a video they own if it cannot be copyrighted in the US. In a way, we have conflated copyrights with other so called intellectual property (details). Maybe the solution is to strengthen privacy rights somehow? I'm not sure.

Details https://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/gnu/www/philosophy/words-to-avoid.h...

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