Are these even meant to be used though? It seems more like performance art.
Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful
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Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful
#22There could be benefits unlocked in legal documents by retaining a machine-readable version and distributing the obfuscated version with a legend at the top. We proposed one that said: "This document contains mitigations against review by automated systems. Recipients should ensure that they have read the contents on screen or in print. Recipients with bona fide vision impairments may be entitled to unmitigated docum…
There was a story once about a boy with a wheelchair who needed a ramp to get into school, and the school made him use the loading dock ramp used for garbage and other things at the back. The school argued that it was an appropriate accommodation. Accessibility is not accessible if you need to go through extra steps to get it. Cerebrally, this as a solution makes sense. But if you know anyone with a vision or other i…
> Accessibility is not accessible if you need to go through extra steps to get it.
That seems a bit entitled to me, especially in the story you shared. They had access to the school just like everyone else. Why does it have to be in the exact same spot? Surely they could be dropped off by the loading dock as easily as others could be dropped off out front, and maybe even moreso. Should the wheelchair accessible stall be the first stall in the bathroom so they don't have to go through "extra steps" to get to it? As long as the ramp had the proper gradation to satisfy the ADA, I don't see the problem.
Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a story once about a boy with a wheelchair who needed a ramp to get into school, and the school made him use the loading dock ramp used for garbage and other things at the back. The school argued that it was an appropriate accommodation. Accessibility is not accessible if you need to go through extra steps to get it. Cerebrally, this as a solution makes sense. But if you know anyone with a vision or other i…
My dad caught paralytic Polio at age 2 and has had limited mobility his entire life, so I'm familiar with that issue. Our internal, hypothetical use-case was between contracting parties who were looking to avoid terms escaping into the wild. This shouldn't show up in standard ToS or similar. There are already really good legal reasons for that.
okay, i get that as a lawyer who wants to make money, every client is "heckin cute and valid." and you can hypothesize that this thing is something that clients want: "terms escaping into the wild," whatever that means - are you saying that you think copying and pasting an agreement into an LLM makes its contents escape into the wild, by some mechanism?
Look, I understand, you don't have to explain to me the theory for how that happens, I know it already. Since I know your a smart guy, to some extent you care about that only because you imagine that clients do. But in reality, in the real world, every email you send is read by at least two people, every contract you sign has multiple parties, etc. You make some obfuscated thing or whatever, but eventually, someone has the real text of the document - it might be YOUR client, it might be the person you are negotiating with, and you rarely represent ALL the sides. You never own ALL the information and all the parties and IT systems in totality. Eventually someone will put the text into a chatbot. Or maybe they put a salient piece of the pre-final text, like some legal theory or merely a question, into the chatbot.
So I see this font stuff, or watermarking stuff, or all this provenance and control stuff, as deeply illusory. It is the worst circlejerky kind of aesthetic experience making. When you mess with anti AI fonts you are trying to compete in the same business DocuSign is in, that is, in the business of selling holistic social experiences - a whole 7000 person company whose main competition is a fucking pen - but it's not like you're doing something creative. If you care about aesthetic experiences, write a short story! Are you getting it? The itch you are scratching with this weird thing, nobody wants.
Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful
#24Wouldn't a font that shuffled the codepoint-to-glyph assignments be more effective?
Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a story once about a boy with a wheelchair who needed a ramp to get into school, and the school made him use the loading dock ramp used for garbage and other things at the back. The school argued that it was an appropriate accommodation. Accessibility is not accessible if you need to go through extra steps to get it. Cerebrally, this as a solution makes sense. But if you know anyone with a vision or other i…
> Accessibility is not accessible if you need to go through extra steps to get it. That seems a bit entitled to me, especially in the story you shared. They had access to the school just like everyone else. Why does it have to be in the exact same spot? Surely they could be dropped off by the loading dock as easily as others could be dropped off out front, and maybe even moreso. Should the wheelchair accessible stall…
> They had access to the school just like everyone else
They literally did not. They had access to the school from a different entrance than everybody else. Specifically, one intended for cargo before people.
Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Accessibility is not accessible if you need to go through extra steps to get it. That seems a bit entitled to me, especially in the story you shared. They had access to the school just like everyone else. Why does it have to be in the exact same spot? Surely they could be dropped off by the loading dock as easily as others could be dropped off out front, and maybe even moreso. Should the wheelchair accessible stall…
> They had access to the school just like everyone else They literally did not. They had access to the school from a different entrance than everybody else. Specifically, one intended for cargo before people.
That's a different sense of "just like". Not "in the same manner", but "to the same extent".
Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Accessibility is not accessible if you need to go through extra steps to get it. That seems a bit entitled to me, especially in the story you shared. They had access to the school just like everyone else. Why does it have to be in the exact same spot? Surely they could be dropped off by the loading dock as easily as others could be dropped off out front, and maybe even moreso. Should the wheelchair accessible stall…
> They had access to the school just like everyone else They literally did not. They had access to the school from a different entrance than everybody else. Specifically, one intended for cargo before people.
Would it have been different, if they had everyone take the cargo entrance?
Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful
#28There could be benefits unlocked in legal documents by retaining a machine-readable version and distributing the obfuscated version with a legend at the top. We proposed one that said: "This document contains mitigations against review by automated systems. Recipients should ensure that they have read the contents on screen or in print. Recipients with bona fide vision impairments may be entitled to unmitigated docum…
You will surely not have a good time enforcing the terms of a legal document that explicitly spells out that it is intentionally obfuscated from the party it intends to bind.
No, that’s not at all what is going on here.
Re: Anti-AI fonts are useless and harmful
#29There could be benefits unlocked in legal documents by retaining a machine-readable version and distributing the obfuscated version with a legend at the top. We proposed one that said: "This document contains mitigations against review by automated systems. Recipients should ensure that they have read the contents on screen or in print. Recipients with bona fide vision impairments may be entitled to unmitigated docum…
It is not sufficient to work against current AI. It needs to also work against AI that has been trained by a competent team aware of your mitigation. Or worse, a competent developer with no particular AI skills. Otherwise, you are relying on obscurity, and will lose as soon as you become interesting enough to matter. You will also break non-AI machine processing use cases. That isn't just accessibility, it is things…
Yep
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