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Re: Slack Code

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Post by ericpauley »

ramoz wrote: post #47
ericpauley wrote: post #28

I'm going to chock this one up as a yet-another "X is your agentic coding hub" PR nonsense. What are people actually using to manage semi-collaborative agentic coding workflows nowadays? We've moved from on-dev-machine coding to @claude in GitHub, but of course GitHub purposefully weakens the capability of that approach to the point that it's kind of a hack. Github/Linear have somewhat more cohesive experiences but i…

Why did you move from on-dev-machine coding to @claude in GitHub if it's a weaker capability? Im not convinced of any of these cloud or tagging solutions where I get to the point of moving coding away from my dev's machines.

Two things: (1) models are far more autonomous and run for longer coherently, (2) visibility into the development process was lost in local development.

Because models run for a long time autonomously developers need to manage more agents simultaneously. At that point you basically need a tracker for tasks in flux, and compute for each agent. It also means that the interactive monitoring isn’t as helpful anymore.

Regarding visibility, developers now think in high level architecture rather than lines of code, but implementation details are still important to document. We also want to understand when agents are hitting pain points. Both of these basically require archiving agent outputs more deeply than just code changes and commits.

Re: Slack Code

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Post by sph »

paxys wrote: post #16
sph wrote: post #10

At this point I literally have no idea what modern coding is supposed to look like. I still open my editor, type stuff in and run make. All these tools are released daily and they just fly over my caveman head.

I used to be that person, and suddenly I haven’t opened an editor or written a line of code by hand in 6+ months.

But why? I like writing code.

Why in the world would I want to become someone that doesn't write code?

Re: Slack Code

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Post by sph »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #49
skywhopper wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s fine, and you’re doing fine. In fact, in a few years you will probably be far more skilled than most “software engineers”.

I dunno dude, it's getting scary fast. You tried a fable/5.6sol maximum effort on a chunky task yet? Maybe in a few years being a good coder will be like being a good taxi driver with self driving. You know the best spots and the ai can't drive the most unusual roads but effectively 95% of all driving is self driving.

Still waiting to see the scary products of AI. I see cool tech demos, sure. But I'm not scared just yet.

Re: Slack Code

#64

Post by sph »

lbreakjai wrote: post #45
tayo42 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like theres so much churn and change there's no point in trying to keep up.

Remember six months ago when linkedin people were adamant you needed to keep on top of everything not to get "left behind"? Agents, skills, mcps, swarms ... If anything, my setup has gotten ever so simpler as models got better.

Why go on Linkedin? The "don't get left behind" people are all in this comment section.

Re: Slack Code

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Post by johnsmith1840 »

sph wrote: post #63
johnsmith1840 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno dude, it's getting scary fast. You tried a fable/5.6sol maximum effort on a chunky task yet? Maybe in a few years being a good coder will be like being a good taxi driver with self driving. You know the best spots and the ai can't drive the most unusual roads but effectively 95% of all driving is self driving.

Still waiting to see the scary products of AI. I see cool tech demos, sure. But I'm not scared just yet.

A very large percentage of systems you use every day being built with AI?

Coding has changed butbuissness has not.

Re: Slack Code

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Post by avgDev »

sph wrote: post #10

At this point I literally have no idea what modern coding is supposed to look like. I still open my editor, type stuff in and run make. All these tools are released daily and they just fly over my caveman head.

I open my editor, I need to implement a feature, I tell chatGPT what I need, it reviews my code and provides suggestions. I then tell it to implement it. I then tell it to write tests. I review the code.

I test it. I have another AI do code review. I push it to test, then after tests to production.

For some common tasks, that I don't find interesting it is great. I do a lot of CRUD, I honestly cannot imagine writing these apps without AI.

It made curious and freed my brain to think about other things. I am now playing with hardware and plan on launching a niche product. This would not be possible if I 100% committed to programming without AI.

Re: Slack Code

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Post by paxys »

sph wrote: post #62
paxys wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be that person, and suddenly I haven’t opened an editor or written a line of code by hand in 6+ months.

But why? I like writing code. Why in the world would I want to become someone that doesn't write code?

The person paying you doesn’t care about your enjoyment.

Re: Slack Code

#68

Post by hi_im_greg_h »

johnsmith1840 wrote: post #49
skywhopper wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s fine, and you’re doing fine. In fact, in a few years you will probably be far more skilled than most “software engineers”.

I dunno dude, it's getting scary fast. You tried a fable/5.6sol maximum effort on a chunky task yet? Maybe in a few years being a good coder will be like being a good taxi driver with self driving. You know the best spots and the ai can't drive the most unusual roads but effectively 95% of all driving is self driving.

Interesting that you use self driving as the metaphor here, when we've been told for years that self driving will be taking over the roads any day now... and yet...

Re: Slack Code

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Post by chadr »

I've been working on an open source project along these lines: https://github.com/chadrem/condotto

I'm using it with my small team and overall these types of tools are great for enabling product managers and even operations managers to help prototype, triage, etc all sorts of features/bugs/reports that previously would go directly to the engineers.

Re: Slack Code

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Post by sph »

paxys wrote: post #67
sph wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why? I like writing code. Why in the world would I want to become someone that doesn't write code?

The person paying you doesn’t care about your enjoyment.

I do care about my enjoyment. Or should my existence, wants and dreams solely be defined by my current employer?

Are yours?

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