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Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

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Post by cedws »

DannyBee wrote: post #187

So many developer-hostile things lately. Just a few days ago they turned on an experiment the forces claude code to use bash over standard tools in auto mode. From the system prompt directly, new as of August 18th: Do your work through the Bash tool wherever it can accomplish the job: read files with cat, head, or sed -n, search with grep and find, and make file changes with sed, heredocs, or short scripts, rather th…

For what reason are they encouraging it to use bash over the purpose-specific tools?

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#212

Post by e12e »

DannyBee wrote: post #187

So many developer-hostile things lately. Just a few days ago they turned on an experiment the forces claude code to use bash over standard tools in auto mode. From the system prompt directly, new as of August 18th: Do your work through the Bash tool wherever it can accomplish the job: read files with cat, head, or sed -n, search with grep and find, and make file changes with sed, heredocs, or short scripts, rather th…

Interesting. They really have a fraught history dealing with shell in a sane way:

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/7490

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

johnmlussier wrote: post #84

@boris and anthropic in general are incredibly hostile to the rest of the development world. They think their shit doesn’t stink.

I think it mostly amounts to getting extremely high on their own supply.

Many of us have experienced the sinking feeling of having used an agent to build an entire beautiful castle and then turned around and found themselves lost in its dungeons unaware of how the thing is actually laid out.

I actually think they're fully down there in their own code base, product requirements, and the like and ... don't know what's around the bend anymore.

And when you have leadership at the top insisting that software engineers will be obsolete any day now, what do you expect? Good solid software engineering requires competent stable and principled leadership hopefully with an obsession on quality and customer excellence.

Telling people that their profession is obsolete because robots are taking it over is only going to poison the well.

Core engineering at Anthropic seems to have just rotted away.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

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Post by sanderjd »

brookst wrote: post #205
eknkc wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So many developer-hostile things lately. It is extraordinary how they managed to fuck up all of their goodwill with all these unnecessary stuff. They truly are a hostile company if I have ever seen one. And they had the entire developer community cheering for them a couple months ago. I hope they fail in their mission, whatever that is. Because I'm sure it's no benefit to anyone ever.

While they’ve certainly fucked up goodwill with their actions, it’s also true that the tech enthusiast community has always been like teenagers who reject their favorite band when it gets popular. Oh, I used Claude before they got popular… their new stuff is trash compared to the early albums

ha, a bit aggro, but I gave you an upvote because I think you aren't wrong.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#216

Post by sanderjd »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #206
eknkc wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So many developer-hostile things lately. It is extraordinary how they managed to fuck up all of their goodwill with all these unnecessary stuff. They truly are a hostile company if I have ever seen one. And they had the entire developer community cheering for them a couple months ago. I hope they fail in their mission, whatever that is. Because I'm sure it's no benefit to anyone ever.

What I find amazing is how many people are still clutching onto Claude Code like it's the only feasible tool and somehow genre-defining? I personally got sick as f with their unreliability and hostility and bugs back in about January and switched to Codex but this is still very clearly a minority position. I'm sure OpenAI will do the same nonsense eventually, but people need to act like they have options.

It's just an immature ecosystem still, which means that everything has its drawbacks (IMO). I like Code way more than Codex. I like Pi a lot, and I expect it or something like it will eventually be the winner here for me, but I really miss the no-brainer "it just works" integration of Claude into Code, and the non-usage-based billing. Pi feels a lot more "raw" to me at the moment.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

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Post by lelanthran »

eknkc wrote: post #193
DannyBee wrote: post #187

So many developer-hostile things lately. Just a few days ago they turned on an experiment the forces claude code to use bash over standard tools in auto mode. From the system prompt directly, new as of August 18th: Do your work through the Bash tool wherever it can accomplish the job: read files with cat, head, or sed -n, search with grep and find, and make file changes with sed, heredocs, or short scripts, rather th…

> So many developer-hostile things lately. It is extraordinary how they managed to fuck up all of their goodwill with all these unnecessary stuff. They truly are a hostile company if I have ever seen one. And they had the entire developer community cheering for them a couple months ago. I hope they fail in their mission, whatever that is. Because I'm sure it's no benefit to anyone ever.

> It is extraordinary how they managed to fuck up all of their goodwill with all these unnecessary stuff.

The product is almost completely vibed with no humans in the loop (neither writing nor reading).

IOW, there is little to no human judgement or care exercised in the production and maintenance of it, with predictable results.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

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Post by DannyBee »

cedws wrote: post #211
DannyBee wrote: post #187

So many developer-hostile things lately. Just a few days ago they turned on an experiment the forces claude code to use bash over standard tools in auto mode. From the system prompt directly, new as of August 18th: Do your work through the Bash tool wherever it can accomplish the job: read files with cat, head, or sed -n, search with grep and find, and make file changes with sed, heredocs, or short scripts, rather th…

For what reason are they encouraging it to use bash over the purpose-specific tools?

If i'm trying to steel-man why, I presume because the read/write/edit tools use more context tokens because they don't support reading part of a file/etc.

So the agent is going to put less into context when it uses sed to see 15 lines of a file than using read and putting the entire file into context.

That is my best charitable guess at what they are hoping to achieve.

Of course, there is an obvious set of solutions for this problem that don't involve pushing the agent to use bash.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

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Post by acedTrex »

verdverm wrote: post #72
acedTrex wrote: post #70

agentsmd is a ridiculous concept, it feels like a huge psyop that theres so much hullabaloo about this ridiculous markdown file.

people use it because it does in fact make a sizable difference in experience and outcomes

It hides information usually in a slop deluge that SHOULD be in normal human project documentation.

If it's useful to an LLM its useful to a human, information should be treated as human first, the LLM will come along with it.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

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Post by unrented7977 »

eknkc wrote: post #193
DannyBee wrote: post #187

So many developer-hostile things lately. Just a few days ago they turned on an experiment the forces claude code to use bash over standard tools in auto mode. From the system prompt directly, new as of August 18th: Do your work through the Bash tool wherever it can accomplish the job: read files with cat, head, or sed -n, search with grep and find, and make file changes with sed, heredocs, or short scripts, rather th…

> So many developer-hostile things lately. It is extraordinary how they managed to fuck up all of their goodwill with all these unnecessary stuff. They truly are a hostile company if I have ever seen one. And they had the entire developer community cheering for them a couple months ago. I hope they fail in their mission, whatever that is. Because I'm sure it's no benefit to anyone ever.

It's astonishing how often Anthropic choose to self-own. They're giving AMD a real run for their money in "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity"
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