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Re: Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

ornornor wrote: post #310
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stronger: This particular brand of rhetoric ("So you support X?" and little more, in response to a post that was not at all about X) is just a "gotcha" game rather than serious conversation, and doesn't belong on this site. I see it far too often, and not just on nuclear. (Also, it makes the one doing it look like a jerk, at least to me.)

So you support censorship? Just kidding, I’ve seen it more and more as well, and feel the same as you about it.

I won't speak for him but I support consequences.

Behaving like that ought to get you shunned and persistence ought to get you marginalized the same way that overt racism or whatever would.

You get what you incentivize. And right now there's no incentive not to vomit dishonesty upon the public discourse so we've got a lot of idiots doing that.

Re: Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

mr_toad wrote: post #296
Symbiote wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right (Conservative) and far right (Reform) parties both say they will abolish low-emission zones and other measures to reduce pointing traffic. They made it into a culture war topic.

Cultivating a voter base that consistently acts against their own interests seems to be a winning strategy.

Surely you're talking about all those people who voted the dirty heavy industry across the oceans where they can't even regulate them, as if we don't all share the same space rock.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #401
ornornor wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you support censorship? Just kidding, I’ve seen it more and more as well, and feel the same as you about it.

I won't speak for him but I support consequences. Behaving like that ought to get you shunned and persistence ought to get you marginalized the same way that overt racism or whatever would. You get what you incentivize. And right now there's no incentive not to vomit dishonesty upon the public discourse so we've got a lot of idiots doing that.

Well, with me, it's getting to the point that it gets an almost automatic downvote.

Re: Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Post by hdgvhicv »

mellosouls wrote: post #400
hdgvhicv wrote: post #397

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So in rural areas there’s no parking for the street as that’s where the cars that drive are. You get pasig places and occasional some idiot will park in them briefly. Even including your towns the vast majority of houses have off street parking, at least according the the rac You have a very niche issue. 1) storing car on public land at home and office 2) driving excessively long mileage each day 3) having a small ca…

Not at all. You're quoting from a report based on data from a Net Zero campaign. But let's give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it's accurate, 60-70% having access to electric overnight. That's still leaves millions (?) of households with on street parking. Most commuters outside cities get on quite ok with normal cars - because they have to - and a third of them is hardly "niche".

It’s an RAC report, they are on the side of car owners.

You’re combining. My mother doesn’t have off street parking as she lives in a town. She’s one of the 30%

If she had a typical ev she’d have to charge it once a month.

You’re talking the 30% without off street parking and have high mileage (same needing more than one charge a week).

Re: Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Post by OroPla »

patrickk wrote: post #282
OroPla wrote: post #226

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Looks like a cool project, but the 99.97% HEPA filters are the expensive part. Building yourself only makes sense if you want to choose your own aesthetics or enjoy doing it.

It also makes sense if you're worried that a proprietary filter will be yanked off the market, leaving you with an unusable item. Also, for the money, you cannot get that kind of smart functionality from my research.

My $50 (without the HEPA filter) air purifier can detect particles and change fan speed accordingly. It also has a light sensor to go into really quiet mode during the night.

Though, looking it up it seems that prices for the Winix Zero (including one set of filters) have doubled since I last bought one.

Re: Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Post by mellosouls »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #404
mellosouls wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. You're quoting from a report based on data from a Net Zero campaign. But let's give it the benefit of the doubt and assume it's accurate, 60-70% having access to electric overnight. That's still leaves millions (?) of households with on street parking. Most commuters outside cities get on quite ok with normal cars - because they have to - and a third of them is hardly "niche".

It’s an RAC report, they are on the side of car owners. You’re combining. My mother doesn’t have off street parking as she lives in a town. She’s one of the 30% If she had a typical ev she’d have to charge it once a month. You’re talking the 30% without off street parking and have high mileage (same needing more than one charge a week).

The average mpy is 7k, so let's say a weekly charge is more accurate.

You can probably get away with that in most cases with on-street parking with a mix of commercial chargers and work if you're lucky.

That "probably" is the point. Your average normal car user (especially in financially challenged times) fighting for a car space on their street is not motivated to take on that higher risk at higher cost in a less competitive market to keep the equivalent of HN demographics happy.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

leonidasrup wrote: post #379
toomuchtodo wrote: post #370

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China builds more renewables per month than the nuclear target they’ve very slowly expanded over a half decade and aren’t scheduled to reach until at least 2030. 70% of China’s electric generating capacity will be renewables by 2027. You could replace current global nuclear generating capacity at parity with capacity factor with batteries and solar in under two years. Lazard Levelized Cost of Energy+ 2026 - https://w…

China builds more new coal power to combine with renewables than any country in the world. With all implications for air quality, but the new coal development is concetrated away from most big cities, so air quality is slowly getting better in big cities. "Operating coal power capacity in China has increased 44% since the Paris Climate Agreement of 2015." "1,270 GW operating coal power capacity" "533 GW coal power ca…

China is using their coal plants as peakers until battery storage has ramped to replace them. Coal use has already dropped below 50%. They are building the largest hydro project in the world (60GW, Motuo / Yarlung Tsangpo project) in the Himalayas, with a 2k meter drop that will create more pressure than a nuclear driven steam turbine.

Ember Energy: China - https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/china/ - Last Updated: May 28th, 2026

> China is rebuilding its industrial economy on a clean foundation as rapid renewable energy expansions begin to offload fossil fuels

> Hydropower remains China’s largest single source of clean electricity, contributing 13% in 2025. The share of wind and solar combined reached 22%, above the global and Asia average of 17%. Solar recorded another year of exponential growth, with 336 TWh of power generation, a 40% increase compared to 2024.

> The biggest shift in China’s electricity generation in 2025 was an absolute decline in coal generation. Coal output decreased by 71 TWh, the first such drop since 2015. Fossil fuels provided 58% of China’s electricity in 2025, down from about 62% in 2024.

> China could reach peak fossil fuel consumption by 2030, thanks to exponential renewables growth and electrification. In 2025, China’s fossil generation declined by 56 TWh (-0.9%), the first year without an increase since 2015. This represents a structural shift, and if current trends hold, China’s fossil fuel demand could begin falling soon, creating conditions for global fossil fuel demand to decline as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medog_Hydropower_Station

China’s energy storage market doubles in size for second consecutive year as price inflection point emerges - https://www.energy-storage.news/chinas-energy-storage-market... - August 18th, 2026

China Crosses Energy Milestone as Coal Falls Below 50% of Power - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49110187 - July 2026

Ember Energy: From scale to system: navigating the next phase of China’s battery storage - https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/from-scale-to-syste... - July 16th, 2026

China Battery Storage Use Surges After Policy Shift, Ember Energy Says - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-15/china-bat... | https://archive.today/QBXxV - July 15th, 2026

Re: Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Post by jzemeocala »

theshrike79 wrote: post #391
ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #376

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> China has 350 million electric two-wheelers, 20 million EVs. And yet they have the most coal plants, and the most coal plants under construction. This comparison includes India. This is PM2.5 map of Beijing today: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2026/08/20/0200Z/particulates/... This is London: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2026/08/20/0200Z/particulates/... This is East USA: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2026/08/20/0…

Now compare the amount of renewables China is putting up? They add coal power because it's super fast to build, but it's not a permanent solution.

Very few things built in china are designed to be permanent

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Post by leonidasrup »

theshrike79 wrote: post #391
ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China has 350 million electric two-wheelers, 20 million EVs. And yet they have the most coal plants, and the most coal plants under construction. This comparison includes India. This is PM2.5 map of Beijing today: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2026/08/20/0200Z/particulates/... This is London: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2026/08/20/0200Z/particulates/... This is East USA: https://earth.nullschool.net/#2026/08/20/0…

Now compare the amount of renewables China is putting up? They add coal power because it's super fast to build, but it's not a permanent solution.

Coal power is not a permanent solution, because there are only finite reserves of coal in China. At current rate of current rate of consumption (2,300 Mtoe of coal in 2025) they have still have reserves for 70 year.

https://chinadata.live/data/coal-consumption-china-vs-world/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_reserves

We can look at more concrete promises by leadership of China:

"In a video statement to the UN in New York, President Xi Jinping said that China would reduce its greenhouse gas emissions across the economy by 7-10% by 2035, while "striving to do better"."

Too little, too late.

"Most scenarios to limit warming to 1.5C - or even well below 2C - would require China to make much greater cuts than that by 2035"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4y159190go

Re: Children's stunted lungs show recovery in ultra low emission zone

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Post by everdrive »

cluckindan wrote: post #384
thelastgallon wrote: post #212

China has 350 million electric two-wheelers, 20 million EVs. China reduced air pollution from transportation by 80% in a decade. Delhi: 442. Lahore: 334. Beijing: 16. These are the levels of PM 2.5, one of the principle measures for air pollution, on November 19. How China cleaned up its air pollution – and what that meant for the climate: https://theconversation.com/how-china-cleaned-up-its-air-pol...

PM2.5 at 16 is pretty hard to believe.

China probably does lie about its pm 2.5 numbers, but it also seems objectively true that they (and really nearly everyone) are doing much, much better than New Dehli.
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