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Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Instagram isn't about to become iStockphoto. There's no way they're going to let people buy pictures of other people to do what they want with them. More likely they want the option to use photos to help advertise. For example showing photos taken at a hotel on the hotels website or on the hotels facebook page without users moaning that they're being used without permission.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

#103

This is not new. It seems that their new TOS explicitly lays out that your photos may be used in advertising, possibly due to a new law somewhere requiring specific notification and release, but my understanding is that you'd already given them this right based on this clause: By displaying or publishing ("posting") any Content on or through the Instagram Services, you hereby grant to Instagram a non-exclusive, fully…

I agree... that is how you create news where it does not deserve one... I don't think Instagram would like paying billions of dollar in privacy suits for a 10$ photo.

this is just an anguished news writer probably snubbed by Facebook...

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

#104
I just found out about http://i-am-cc.org/ They propose releasing your Instagram images as CC. What I don't understand is what effect, if any, will that have on Instagram using your images for creating ads or for other uses. How would a CC license affect in this situation?

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

#105

Instagram isn't about to become iStockphoto. There's no way they're going to let people buy pictures of other people to do what they want with them. More likely they want the option to use photos to help advertise. For example showing photos taken at a hotel on the hotels website or on the hotels facebook page without users moaning that they're being used without permission.

Those sorts of uses are exactly what some more professional photographers would want to prevent. It's exactly why I never uploaded any of my tens of thousands of scenic photos to Panoramio. People can use their API to display photos on their sites.

http://www.panoramio.com/api/widget/api.html

http://www.panoramio.com/api/widget/api.html#conditions-of-u...

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

#106
I fully understand that with a free product, I am the product. I go into that with eyes open, and happily used Instagram assuming they would eventually start serving ads near the photos, promoting photos or similar. However, using my photos as ads seems a bit of a stretch. So, I just happily gave Flickr $25 after deleting my Instagram account. Some things are worth paying for, because sometimes I don't want to be the product.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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post #104

I just found out about http://i-am-cc.org/ They propose releasing your Instagram images as CC. What I don't understand is what effect, if any, will that have on Instagram using your images for creating ads or for other uses. How would a CC license affect in this situation?

> How would a CC license affect in this situation?

Not at all. When you upload your photos to Instagram, you grant them a non-exclusive license to use them in accordance with their TOS. Licensing them under CC is just issuing another non-exclusive license to another party.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

#108

I fully understand that with a free product, I am the product. I go into that with eyes open, and happily used Instagram assuming they would eventually start serving ads near the photos, promoting photos or similar. However, using my photos as ads seems a bit of a stretch. So, I just happily gave Flickr $25 after deleting my Instagram account. Some things are worth paying for, because sometimes I don't want to be the…

With Flickr you're still the product unfortunately, although Flickr is much better than other similar services in this regard. Do you really think your measly $25/year cover for their expenses with you?

Seriously, if you don't want to be the product, organize those photos in a standard directory structure and synchronize it either with Dropbox or Google Drive or SkyDrive.

The downside of doing that is that storage is more expensive, but that's closer to the real price the service is worth and so that makes it sustainable. Also, migrating between cloud storage solutions is much easier.

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Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

#109

I wonder what this means for http://instaprints.com .

Just glancing at it, it seems the photos sold there are from users who signed up to have their photos sold there. Under the "Turn Your Instagram Photos Into a Profitable Online Business" at the bottom.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

#110
There's an ethical and an unethical way to do this.

Not being able to opt out, and changing the system wholesale overnight like this, is deeply unethical.

On the scale of things they could do that would make this better:

* Best case: opt-in only, compensate users whose photos they use.

* Present a choice to users when they sign up, default to opt-out.

* At least present a choice to existing users whether they want this or not, and allow them to continued access to the service either way.

* Notify users and only change the rights when any new photos uploaded, and keep existing photos under the old terms.

* Give existing users the opportunity to deactivate/delete their account if they don't agree, and a chance to download their photos. Or "freeze" existing accounts until they acknowledge the changes, rather than automatically assuming consent.

They seem to have picked the absolute worst option available to them, and it's troubling to say the least.

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