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Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by MattBearman »

I was about to delete my Instagram account when I saw this, but having given it a bit of thought, I'm actually ok with it.

Instagram needs to get money from somewhere, and as far as I'm concerned selling my photos is preferable to filling the feeds with ads. However I can see how for a lot of people they'd rather have ads then have their photos sold (especially pro photographers) so it'll be interesting to see how many users they loose over this.

Also it goes with out saying that if they do put adverts in, I'm out.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by panacea »

Aardwolf wrote: post #71
nwh wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why TOS should show a diff or revision history. Failing that, there really ought to be an external website documenting changes.

Find the old text somewhere. Get the new text. Copypaste both in a text file. Then use diff or meld or another difftool of your choice to compare the two text files.

Presumably they meant, when you're 'asked to agree' to new T&C's the diff changes in the new policy are highlighted.

When presented with a new T&C's policy, shouldn't you explicitly be asked to agree to any changes from the previous one you agreed to rather than be presented with the entire 14 pages which approximately 0.00001% of people will ever read before agreeing to?

(And please don't say you read every EULA you encounter in full)

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by kmfrk »

InstaByeBye wrote: post #78

InstaByeBye.com coming soon. 1 Click exports and online photo log. Stay Cool. 3 hours and counting. Live update = @instabyebye

My main concern as a passive user is finding a way to export likes and follows. I haven't really posted that many photos, but there is still something to lose as a lurker.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by chris_wot »

Smrchy wrote: post #20
sgdesign wrote: post #4

I'm starting to realize that Instagram is not the service I thought it was. I initially thought it was Flickr with social features, but more and more it's turning into Facebook with photos. There is zero content discoveries features, so you have no way to get new followers or find new people to follow. And the top posters are all teenage pop stars that I've never even heard about who post completely uninteresting pho…

As soon as i read that FB was buying Instagram i quit and deleted my Instagram account. It was too predictable that something like this will happen. Mark Zuckerberg is in a horrible position. I bet he would love to just build a cool and useful product. Instead he is damned to roll out all these awful money making features. And quick. Not only for his investors but also for the staff that owns FB stock. How smooth cou…

Mark Zuckerberg made his own bed. He can't be trusted no matter what you say, just look at how Facebook handles privacy!

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by kmfrk »

ryanhuff wrote: post #6
batiudrami wrote: post #5

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Instagram's target market doesn't care. These aren't professional photographers, or even amateur ones like flickr, they're teens and 20-somethings with camera phones who want to be able to take and share cool photos with their friends.

I bet celebrities will care when their picture unknowingly appears in some ad.

The same discussion happened with just about all Twitter image-hosting services except yFrog. It didn't seem to cripple their business.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by kmfrk »

Posted some related stories:

* [Instagram's suicide note](http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4934271)

* [Instagram Will Share User Data With Facebook According To Its New Privacy Policy](http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4932765)

The last one may be more interesting than the usage rights for photos.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by evoxed »

neilk wrote: post #74
evoxed wrote: post #30

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I've always had issues with certain details on Flickr (perhaps since the Yahoo acquisition; I honestly can't remember what was just carried over) such as the inability to download all your photos at once for backup, lockout of your own photos when your pro membership expires (combined with the aforementioned non-feature), and some other things. But as far as I can tell, the community is definitely there. Whenever I a…

Flickr never locks you out of access to your photos, per se. The only difference is that your photostream is limited to 200 photos. Every other way that photos are accessed continues to work - whether you've embedded them on blogs, other people favorited them, etc. There are 3rd party tools to export your photos from Flickr via the API. Flickr hasn't written their own exporter (they probably should) but exporting app…

That's what I thought too, but when I tried to grab them with existing apps the only way I could get it to work was by adding everything to a group and then searching for that. Can't remember if it was FlickrDown that finally worked or something else– three others flat out failed to capture anything until I resubscribed. So in theory they're still there, but they sure don't make it easy.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by evoxed »

i386 wrote: post #51
evoxed wrote: post #30

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I've always had issues with certain details on Flickr (perhaps since the Yahoo acquisition; I honestly can't remember what was just carried over) such as the inability to download all your photos at once for backup, lockout of your own photos when your pro membership expires (combined with the aforementioned non-feature), and some other things. But as far as I can tell, the community is definitely there. Whenever I a…

What would you have them do when your Pro a account expires?

I would like downloading everything to zip to be a pro feature, and a reminder that the feature exists in an email maybe one week prior to expiration. If customers leave, let them leave happily. They'll be much more likely to come back when they want/need the service again.

Re: Instagram says it now has the right to sell your photos

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Post by brigade »

cookiecaper wrote: post #79
declan wrote: post #43

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Agreed with aptwebapps. The old TOU, as you correctly say, is pretty standard. Twitter's is similar, and any company with decent lawyers is going to protect themselves with similar wording. The new TOU, however, heads in a different direction. The phrase "limited license" is gone. It's been replaced with the phrase "transferable, sub-licensable" license. Also new is "a business or other entity may pay us to display y…

It really doesn't seem like a material change to me. Again, IANAL, so if there is some reason to believe these things would be disallowed under the old TOS, I'd like to know, but it sounds fairly straightforward. While Instagram may have had a more difficult case under the old TOS, and may have had to be more careful about the dispensation rather than just doing a blatant "stock photo"-type interface, I could definit…

You granted Instagram a license. Under the old ToS, an entity that wasn't Instagram, say a nightclub, couldn't use your pictures on their own promotional materials, advetising, or site without obtaining a separate license from you, period. This changed.
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