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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by Cider9986 »

AuthAuth wrote: post #409
Cider9986 wrote: post #29

Specific devices: >At the time of writing, within ~12 months, in 2027, the 2027 Signature, Razr fold, and Razr flip will meet the hardware security requirements and should have official GrapheneOS support. Motorola is currently porting GrapheneOS to their devices. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49038982

I really hope this device doesnt have the razr branding

If you mean the logo when restarting? Here's some info about that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49364610, https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/4335-remove-your-phone-is-l...

It will be highly unlikely that they modify the hardware exterior look for GrapheneOS.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by monk_grilla »

lopis wrote: post #153
Yeroc wrote: post #54

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The websites don't have feature parity with the apps these days. Things like being able to deposit a cheque aren't available among other things.

Some older banks do have more features in their website than their app. It's usually the ones with the worse, most outdated UIs and almost useless mobile apps. After years of using several mobile-first neo-banks, I switched to a traditional bank and boy, was I not ready for the trip back in time.

Yep. Everyone here is talking about "just use the website" but ANZ Plus, a "neo-bank" which is increasingly popular here in Australia, literally has no web portal.

Its app is really nice and native, though. That, along with a decent interest rate, is why I use it.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by wishfish »

grapheneos wrote: post #310
LarryDarrell wrote: post #155

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I knew it would be their higher end devices but I really wish they would have put it on their lower end as well. I have a Moto G running LineageOS and it's my favorite phone ever. The ability to have my 800GB of music synced to a sdcard is something I'm loath to give up.

Motorola's flagships are going to be their first devices providing the updates and hardware-based security features required by GrapheneOS. It will come to lower end devices but it will take longer. Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 is the first Qualcomm SoC with hardware memory tagging (MTE). MTE isn't even available on the slightly lower end Snapdragon 8 Gen 5. A lot of the SoC security features are segmented based on price…

Replying to you here in hopes you see this question.

I'm one of those people who is affected by PWM on OLED screens. I tried a Pixel 9 Pro XL and it didn't work for me. Have a Razr 2024 which mostly works and that's thanks to some custom PWM settings from Motorola.

Will Graphene OS have these custom PWM mitigation settings on 2027 Motorolas?

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Post by tclancy »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #406
tclancy wrote: post #305

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Well, if you want a mass market device that runs Linux, you have to meet the market. Otherwise we can start tracking 2525 as the year of Linux on the smartphone. If man is still alive.

The concept of a mass market device is sort of incompatible with the freedoms we generally associate with linux -- Android is really the closest thing we can hope for. It runs a linux kernel, a very non-standard userspace, and is relatively locked down (when compared to a general purpose linux distribution) I think "linux smartphone" would end up looking very similar -- some UI on top of a kernel with a very non-LSB…

> The concept of a mass market device is sort of incompatible with the freedoms we generally associate with linux

But take that far enough and you get Stallman'd into a corner where someone points out that's great, but no phone for you.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by compass_copium »

grapheneos wrote: post #397
compass_copium wrote: post #35

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GOS is broadly compatible with most phone use cases out of the box--chat, mail, browsing. A Google Play profile lets me use almost all apps (including my bank apps, but I understand that's not true for everyone). In principle I agree about a Linux phone, but the gaps are much greater. I am also sympathetic to the GOS team's arguments that sandboxing on Android is better, and important on a device that allows control…

AOSP even without the GrapheneOS improvements has drastically better privacy and security than a traditional desktop distribution. A mobile Linux distribution with a much better privacy and security model than traditional desktop Linux is still Linux. A similar approach can also be used on a laptop or desktop too. We provided a much more detailed reply at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49364220 .

Cheers, thanks for all the work you do on the project.

There is still a philosophical reason for supporting a version of Linux for mobile devices that is not dependent on Google, but is community-driven, for users with different priorities.

That is not really relevant to the GOS project though, and the fact that GOS is probably the easiest way to get a Play Services-free mobile device kind of drags it into discussions that it doesn't necessarily belong in.

Again, thanks for your work, and I appreciate your team's focus on your goal of the best security possible.

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Post by DANmode »

nunobrito wrote: post #151
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #137

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My 9a running GrapheneOS doesn't get hot and battery life seems no different to other phones I've had the last few years.

That can also indicate you are not a PoI

It can also indicate you forgot to block the Phone permission etc on Google Play Services.

The easy explanation is that GrapheneOS users are obviously very interesting to Google and so they’ll slurp everything they possibly can, as often as they can.

I disable all Play packages in between installing the rare app on my (often elderly) users’ Graphene devices.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

Are there banking customers in Europe who do not use mobile banking apps

Are there European countries that actually force, cf. coerce, banking customers to purchase mobile phones and run corporate mobile operating systems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_mobile_ba...

https://sqmagazine.co.uk/mobile-banking-statistics/

One approach is to use one phone (A) for banking and other commercial transactions and use another phone (B) for everything else, e.g., personal communication with friends, family, etc.

Phone A can run corporate mobile OS

Phone B can run alternative OS

Arguably, the data collection, surveillance and advertising exposure when using phone A is tolerable if that phone is only used for banking and commerce

The problem arises when someone tries to use a single phone for every general computing purpose

If that phone is running a corporate mobile OS, then that may expose the owner to an excessive amount of data collection, surveillance and, potentially, ads

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by hypfer »

grapheneos wrote: post #400
hypfer wrote: post #14

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They didn't "ban" them, but they did enable some attestation feature that effectively "bans" anything that isn't Google Android. Which still makes you wonder why Volkswagen is so keen on alienating what little is left of their customer base with completely stupid security theater.

It's fair to say they banned GrapheneOS but they didn't only ban GrapheneOS. It's very rare for apps to specifically ban GrapheneOS but Revolut uses an SDK which tried to do it. We worked around it and Revolut works on GrapheneOS since January 2025 but not for lack of trying to ban it by an SDK they use and it sometimes blocks our users.

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