What's with naming proprietary stuff "open"?
Clearly these products are being named by topologists, who have no objection to things being simultaneously open and closed.
Schrödinger's Product
OpenRouter is joining Stripe
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Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#162What's with naming proprietary stuff "open"?
It could be open in the literally sense of you aren't locked in, you have free access to any model you want.
Just because a name has open in it doesn't mean it has to be open source.
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#163so basically anybody who uses openrouter from now on is going to have all their data exfiltrated to stripe and then to all the banks/insurance companies... when I read the article that's what I think is going on and it doesn't smell good....
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#164That’s great for the team. Though as a user of openrouter, I am worried that the much larger company will soon find ways to enshittify it :S
Switching costs are zero and alternatives are plentiful. OpenRouter is a name.
You're right in that OpenRouter alone does not have embedded switching costs, but bundled with Stripe's other offerings, it creates lock-in.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
You create an account. Pay money. Get API key. Use APIs.
But if you use any decent amount of tokens, it's probably worth saving the 15% by moving to the provider they're proxying. And if it's not worth it, then are you spending enough where it even effects Openrouter's bottom line? With enough devs playing with hobby projects I'm not doubting it's profitable, only that $7 billion seems way too high.
OR I can keep paying 15% markup till next month and then jump to newest / cheapest model with one-liner change instead of being locked to a model/provider.
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Curious on what OpenRouter's true moat is? It's just an LLM API routing framework, right?
I think it's kind of like what GitHub has despite getting rid of the quota system for Copilot: existing customers that are already setup to deal with them. In this case I imagine that OpenRouter's moat is going to be that businesses that already use Stripe will have a lower bar to choosing OpenRouter to provide the AI access, and clean integration with Stripe to pay for stuff like AI support bots.
Isn't copilot a cheaper harness than claude code and offers more flexibility?
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#167What's with naming proprietary stuff "open"?
"Open" is a load bearing reference we all get :p
Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe
#168I am somewhat mixed on this, I feel though having it be part of Stripe will make it easier to sell to my leadership as "More Trustworthy" than having it by itself
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#169What's with naming proprietary stuff "open"?
It’s an AI era buzzword. It’s not a new process, e.g. when blockchain was trendy, “crypto-“ and “bit-“ became similarly popular and meaningless.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Worth noting that quoting and citing an LLM is miles better than just pasting AI generated text and passing it as your own. AND, if you are too harsh on the former, you incentivize the latter.
> quoting and citing an LLM is miles better Not really. If someone is interested in an LLM's opinion, they can ask it themselves, all LLM providers are one browser tab away.
I'm as antiAI as many. And this isn't a great example, but there's can be value added in both the context and the prompt. E.g:
"I recall topic X being related to fact Y.
Chatgpt says this when asked about how Y relates to X
"blablabla"
"