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Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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It's not the thing, because the thing is made of substance, not electronic impulses. No matter how hard you compute, you will never compute the simulation into a real, tangible object. The simulation and the real object are extremely, obviously distinguishable, even though they're structurally analogous. If you could simulate a human perfectly , the simulated human would not be a human, it would be a simulated human.…

If you could simulate a human perfectly how would it possibly not be'subject to the same rules of ethics' as humans? What you've created is a human. If a system takes the same inputs and creates the same output it's the same system on different substrate. You don't say a human stops being a human if you put them on a ventilator, do you? Part of that system is now in an external substrate. How much of the biological h…

>What you've created is a human.

That's incorrect, for reasons I've already stated. Humans and simulated humans are not interchangeable.

>If a system takes the same inputs and creates the same output it's the same system on different substrate.

You can't feed a simulated human real food, and you can't feed a real human simulated food. You can talk to a human by vibrating real atoms at them, but you need to make simulated atoms vibrate in order for a simulated human to hear you. Clearly they don't take the same inputs, they take analogous inputs. You're still making the error of confusing the literal thing for its symbol.

>You don't say a human stops being a human if you put them on a ventilator, do you?

Inappropriate analogy. You can put a human into a ventilator and you can also take them out. It's impossible to "place" a real human into a simulation or to "take" them out of a simulation into reality. I'm putting the verbs within quotes to emphasize that I'm using the strict literal meaning of them, which is to translate configurations of atoms into or out of a place.

You can "put" a human in a simulation in a looser sense, which is to copy them and put their analogous representation in the simulation.

>How much of the biological human can be outside the meat body before you stop recognizing them as human?

The moment they stop being made out of atoms and are made out of simulated atoms.

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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You've curiously left out which platform it's not weird to write software for. Is there only one platform that's not weird, or is MacOS the only weird platform? Some of the best platforms and software are weird. Get over it.

I write applications that run the same on all three main desktop platforms (typically): Mac, Windows, Linux. Writing an app for any single desktop platform is weird, unless the application uses some sort of specific functionality of that platform. In my case, I use Qt, but I've also written applications which had three UI drivers (X11/Win32/MacOS).

Some of us think it's weird to accept the compromises you have to make to write cross-platform software, especially when you are using AI to write or help write the app.

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Not to drop any spoilers (hide this comment before reading further ....) But "The Amazing Digital Circus" explores this concept relating to human brain scans, and how the 'simulated' brains would react under simulation.

It really does not "explore" the concept, it just features it as a plot element.

It's the central plot point of the entire series. If that's not "exploring the concept", you're going to have to explain why.

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Why would you choose not to have empathy for a living creature?

"A living creature" is a low fucking bar. Bacteria are living creatures. And your body is wired to exterminate them so that they don't eat it alive from the inside. Because the moment those defenses falter, they will do exactly that. Consider saving your empathy for things that matter.

Without these very same bacteria, you would not be able to live.

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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You've curiously left out which platform it's not weird to write software for. Is there only one platform that's not weird, or is MacOS the only weird platform? Some of the best platforms and software are weird. Get over it.

I write applications that run the same on all three main desktop platforms (typically): Mac, Windows, Linux. Writing an app for any single desktop platform is weird, unless the application uses some sort of specific functionality of that platform. In my case, I use Qt, but I've also written applications which had three UI drivers (X11/Win32/MacOS).

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Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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If we are really into an ethics discussion, enslaving a species to drink milk meant for their newborns would be an issue.

A well-nourished, well-protected, comfortable cow will produce much more milk than is required by its normal complement of newborns, and it will (and loudly) want rid of it. In my experience not milking a dairy cow of the excess would be considerably more cruel than milking it, even if you kept the milk exclusively for the newborns, and I’m pretty sure the cows I’ve seen milked in rural Nepal would agree.

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Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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post #157

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You've curiously left out which platform it's not weird to write software for. Is there only one platform that's not weird, or is MacOS the only weird platform? Some of the best platforms and software are weird. Get over it.

I write applications that run the same on all three main desktop platforms (typically): Mac, Windows, Linux. Writing an app for any single desktop platform is weird, unless the application uses some sort of specific functionality of that platform. In my case, I use Qt, but I've also written applications which had three UI drivers (X11/Win32/MacOS).

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Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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Related (fictional): https://qntm.org/mmacevedo MMAcevedo (Mnemonic Map/Acevedo), also known as Miguel, is the earliest executable image of a human brain. It is a snapshot of the living brain of neurology graduate Miguel Acevedo Álvarez (2010–2073), taken by researchers at the Uplift Laboratory at the University of New Mexico on August 1, 2031

Fun story, thnx for sharing!

The most amazing thing about it is probably not the “upload” itself, but the lossless compression ratio of approximately 150,000.

> "… outright revolt begins within another 100 subjective hours."

No wonder: the brain has to work a third of the time, with no weekends and no beer on Friday nights.

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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The other day the system prompts for Claude (chat not code) hit the frontpage and they included a bit that something along the lines of "Claude should avoid saying honestly, because Claude is always honest". So how come that these Claudisms still are so frequent in LLM output? Do the system prompts just not work? Don't the postprocess the output to deal with such policy violations?

Some other day here HN someone posted a blog post that was like a long nonsense text of claudisms like load bearing smoking gun and other things, it was beautiful. I wanted to have a link for it to show to others but it disappeared when I got back to look for it and I lost the link. :/

https://aloutfi.com/writing/load-bearing-smoking-gun

I love it.

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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"A living creature" is a low fucking bar. Bacteria are living creatures. And your body is wired to exterminate them so that they don't eat it alive from the inside. Because the moment those defenses falter, they will do exactly that. Consider saving your empathy for things that matter.

Without these very same bacteria, you would not be able to live.

Some labs made bacteria-free mice for research purposes. They're viable. So "not be able to live" is a stretch.

Human body does use some bacteria in the guts, but a lot of those very same bacteria would absolutely try to eat the entire body if its immune defenses ever failed.

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