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Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

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Post by qup »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #880
annzabelle wrote: post #859

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way a lot of other countries deal with this is that the government calculates out a benefit vs cost assessment for every new treatment and only covers ones that come out ahead. But, that ends up with things like new targeted chemotherapies being unavailable for years after their initial release, vs in the US where they are available to much of the population once the right prior auth is filed. There is also more…

People hate it when faceless bureaucrats decide that some health care expense is too expensive for the large faceless bureaucracy to cover, when they have a medical issue that they would like the large faceless bureaucracy to spend money on. Perhaps in that world, some insane guy with a back injury who's unhappy about the quality of his care assassinates the Secretary of Health and Human Services, rather than the CEO…

The HHS secretary during that time wasn't RFK, it was Xavier Becerra.

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Post by AstralSerenity »

warkdarrior wrote: post #177
shigawire wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We still have Social Security for now. Entitlements are sticky for better or for worse.

Social Security in its current form will be gone within two years. Instead you will be required to pay a contribution (just as you are now) but the money will be managed by a private company who will charge fees and provide no guarantees. Current retirees will get to keep the current arrangement, everyone else will be moved to the privately managed Social Security option.

People have been saying this forever. It will never happen. Republicans and Democrats alike love Social Security. All that needs to be done to fix it is raise the cap.

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Post by timbit42 »

etchalon wrote: post #229

It will never not be funny that whenever universal health coverage comes up, Americans will act as if it's some impossible task that wouldn't solve any problems when the rest of world seems to have sorted it out just fine.

For the most part, those countries aren't as corrupt as the US.

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Post by timbit42 »

westurner wrote: post #353

How many employees trapped in a job for health benefits for their families would universal health coverage free up? Quantify the impact on productivity

What makes you think they would no longer work? They still need money to live. They would either get another job or start their own business.

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Post by timbit42 »

mhb wrote: post #926
JoshTko wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ah, the Koch brother's PR firm the CATO org. Brilliant spin org.

Shooting the messenger usually works.

You are the messenger. CATO is the biased, lying, and manipulative message creator.

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Post by timbit42 »

up2isomorphism wrote: post #935

The deep problem is that insurance is a highly profit driven business in the US which basically go against what a good insurance should look like.

Profit-based, dividend paying insurance should be banned. Only non-profit insurance should be permitted.

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Post by burnte »

bentt wrote: post #724

There are a lot of people making a lot of money on the inefficiencies of the US system. They won’t give up their revenue streams without a fight, and they are filthy rich on the backs of sick people. You better believe they will play dirty.

They absolutely will, but I've been on the provider side of healthcare for over a decade and I can assure you there are lots of organizations who are EAGER to move to single payer and will absolutely help the fight. If you told a healthcare CEO that in 6 months they could let go of 90% of their RCM staff and 100% of their benefits verification staff, they'd be THRILLED.

And the PE firms getting in to healthcare delivery space will take up that fight too, so they can keep more of what they make.

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Post by NotGMan »

HeavenFox wrote: post #875
Jimega36 wrote: post #854

Switzerland has the system closest to the US in my experience, but with universal coverage. As individual, you buy basic insurance costing roughly $500/month with a $2500 yearly deductible (LAMal/KVG). Applicants must be accepted even with pre-existing conditions. Post-deductible, you pay 10% co-insurance capped at roughly $800/year (no medical bankruptcy). Insurers operate basic plans as non-profit. They make their…

So basically as long as someone is alive in Switzerland they need to pay an insurance company $500/mo?

In other EU countries it's the same or even worse: you just pay it as a part of gross and gross-gross taxes.

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Post by NotGMan »

At this point I'm 90% convinced that any kind of a healthcare system will work as long as the politicans and everyone involved is not corrupt.

Alas...

The real question is then: since corruption seems to be everywhere, which system is the most resistant to it in terms of the price + quality for the end user.

And the real real question is: what can be done so that every country has a political class that has the same strict rules of law for corruption etc... as Singapore does?

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