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Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Sounds like a cheap way to get my hands on some floppies.

you are right a stack of printed qr codes is better

Reminds me of Lavabit where the US wanted the encryption keys and they printed them out in a 4 point font :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit#Legacy

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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I ran Graphene without a Sim card for 2 months and as soon as I added a Sim card (with of course, difficult to vet networking) the phone is always hot and the battery life reduced by half. Might be a coincidence but also made me rethink how I feel about Graphene

> I ran Graphene without a Sim card for 2 months and as soon as I added a Sim card (with of course, difficult to vet networking) the phone is always hot and the battery life reduced by half. Might be a coincidence but also made me rethink how I feel about Graphene

Strange you're being flagged since it's easy to find many other people on the graphene forums reporting the same (unresolved) problem.

Doesn't mean it's guaranteed to be limited to graphene in scope, but definitely seems to be a prevalent issue for some yet-to-be-determined reason.

Possibly related, does anybody know if graphene is vulnerable to Pegasus?

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

Banks care very little about actual security. Some force you either to SMS codes, or to their app on a hopelessly broken platform based on shoving many untrusted spying apps onto one device and hoping some SW will be able to keep them apart.

Almost none support strong dedicated HW authenticators or second factors. Not even as an option to those who care.

Anyway it's always possible to just reverse their web api and use it directly. 2FA that consists of copying some code from SMS is no barrier, especially not on the Linux phone that you fully control.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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you are right a stack of printed qr codes is better

That's too convenient, cameras can read many qr codes at a time. Encode the binary on some punch cards.

Pretty sure cameras can be used to read punchcards too.

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Security-through-obscurity (i.e. using a custom ROM on a lesser-known device) does have some upsides, since you're less likely to be compatible with off-the-shelf exploits. But this is much less true now that LLMs exist, and anyone who can afford the tokens can port any exploit to any and all vulnerable devices. Who maintains the kernel+driver trees used by the LineageOS port you're using? And what's the modem's secu…

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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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What Pixel do you have? Modem quality varies and signal strength could play a role. My 9a gets hot in areas with poor reception but is fine at work where I get over a gigabit down.

9. I left it with 70% battery for 5 hours and came home and it was red hot and dead. In a city with no reception issues.

That's definitely a problem, but if it was the standard experience of GrapheneOS users, then GrapheneOS wouldn't have as many fans* as it seems to.

*Fans as in happy users, not fans as in blowing cool air over a red hot device

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Specific devices: >At the time of writing, within ~12 months, in 2027, the 2027 Signature, Razr fold, and Razr flip will meet the hardware security requirements and should have official GrapheneOS support. Motorola is currently porting GrapheneOS to their devices. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49038982

The 2026 Signature doesn't appear to be for sale in the US. Does this mean we have to wait for the lower end devices if we don't want a fold/flip?

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

Nothing is stopping you. You're free to use a desktop web app that either doesn't work or is terribly slow or has limited features on a mobile web browser. I'd love it if all apps were PWAs but that is not the case.

That's not terribly compelling. Android and iOS banking apps also don't work, are terribly slow, and have limited features.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

Some banks are app only and/or build MFA functionality into their apps.

That would be a hell naw from me.
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