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Re: Stripe to Buy OpenRouter for $7B

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Post by trollbridge »

johnbarron wrote: post #49
trollbridge wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very much the same line of business as Amazon Bedrock except OpenRouter gives more options (choice of where hosted, data retention options and so on).

>> choice of where hosted, You dont understand Bedrock fundamental use case.

Yeah I do. You can get data locality in GovCloud, a U.S. data centre, or even EU regions.

It’s governed by your master AWS agreement (which will make your compliance officer happy), and billing is also conveniently handled by AWS.

Of course the Chinese models on it are rotten old and not cheap. But if you want to configure an app to use inference that is entirely controlled, it’s the next best thing to running local.

Re: Stripe to Buy OpenRouter for $7B

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Post by root-parent »

trollbridge wrote: post #51
johnbarron wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> choice of where hosted, You dont understand Bedrock fundamental use case.

Yeah I do. You can get data locality in GovCloud, a U.S. data centre, or even EU regions. It’s governed by your master AWS agreement (which will make your compliance officer happy), and billing is also conveniently handled by AWS. Of course the Chinese models on it are rotten old and not cheap. But if you want to configure an app to use inference that is entirely controlled, it’s the next best thing to running local.

Most important...

- Your inputs are within the security boundary of your AWS account or AWS accounts

  Can OpenRouter say the same? - NO
- Your inputs are not shared with models creators

   Can OpenRouter say the same? - NO
- Your inputs are not used to train the next model

   Can OpenRouter say the same? - NO
- Within certain limits and certain models:

   "50.10.1. Subject to the limitations in this Section 50.10, AWS will defend you and your employees, officers, and directors against any third-party claim alleging that the Generative AI Output generated by an Indemnified Generative AI Service infringes or misappropriates that third party’s intellectual property rights, and will pay the amount of any adverse final judgment or settlement."

  Can OpenRouter say the same? - NO

Re: Stripe to Buy OpenRouter for $7B

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Post by nh2 »

root-parent wrote: post #52
trollbridge wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I do. You can get data locality in GovCloud, a U.S. data centre, or even EU regions. It’s governed by your master AWS agreement (which will make your compliance officer happy), and billing is also conveniently handled by AWS. Of course the Chinese models on it are rotten old and not cheap. But if you want to configure an app to use inference that is entirely controlled, it’s the next best thing to running local.

Most important... - Your inputs are within the security boundary of your AWS account or AWS accounts Can OpenRouter say the same? - NO - Your inputs are not shared with models creators Can OpenRouter say the same? - NO - Your inputs are not used to train the next model Can OpenRouter say the same? - NO - Within certain limits and certain models: "50.10.1. Subject to the limitations in this Section 50.10, AWS will def…

> Within certain limits and certain models

For those that hadn't read yet (on https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms/):

"Certain models" means "only AWS's own trained models" (Nova etc), so not e.g. Bedrock Claude or GPT.

"Certain limits" means they don't defent if the input to the model is the IP.

Re: Stripe to Buy OpenRouter for $7B

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Post by discodave »

Hasz wrote: post #48
minraws wrote: post #47

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I can bet AWS won't be doing any serious foundational model development, I knew folks on their AGI team now it's not even big enough to compete with the chinese labs... :3 Azure I am not sure how long they will be around doing MAI thinking models, I feel like they will pivot to smaller simpler enterprise only models. And given they already own npm and github openrouter might have made sense though I think they might…

IDK what happened to AWS, other than Amazon's cultural reputation is so bad it may be hard to hire the best eng. Azure, GCP, I generally agree. The Neoclouds will drive prices into the basement, I think custom silicon/data moat/ease to deploy will be the hyperscaler's edge.

AWS is too busy selling entire private AWS regions on "take or pay" agreements to Anthropic, OpenAI and Meta.
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