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Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by HybridStatAnim8 »

Contortion wrote: post #43
hokumguru wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it pettiness or just sticking to their morals? Murena, as they mentioned, forwards data to OpenAI which is against pretty much everything Graphene stands for.

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It is not petty to correct misinformation. You are downplaying the seriousness of the situation by painting it as some kind of drama. /e/OS objectively has poor privacy and security for numerous reasons, there was no "falling out", and GrapheneOS is not critiquing it based on emotion.

GrapheneOS is a privacy project first, does not come bundled with any google services, and only makes connections to 1st party services by default. /e/OS includes many google services with privileged OS integration. GrapheneOS is far more effective at the goal you state /e/OS has than /e/OS.

Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by bitwize »

Contortion wrote: post #43
hokumguru wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it pettiness or just sticking to their morals? Murena, as they mentioned, forwards data to OpenAI which is against pretty much everything Graphene stands for.

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Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by grapheneos »

bitwize wrote: post #212

grapheneos when?

Fairphones have awful updates, privacy and security. They don't provide crucial hardware-based security features needed to have working encryption for the vast majority of users not using a strong passphrase. They don't provide what's required to have decent protection from remote attacks either. Their devices don't provide important driver and firmware updates we need to have for each supported device. Fairphones end up with an end-of-life Linux kernel branch after a couple years and have never migrated to a new one. Fairphone has a very close partnership with Murena and replaced their own open source OS with /e/. /e/ and Murena have repeatedly falsely claimed GrapheneOS is mainly used by criminals and isn't useful to regular people. They've heavily propagated false claims about the usability, compatibility, privacy and security provided by GrapheneOS. These years of inaccurate claims have resulted in many people being misled about GrapheneOS and have done immense harm to it.

/e/ and Murena have even repeatedly claimed private and secure devices in general primarily benefit criminals and pedophiles:

https://www.clubic.com/actualite-604786-murena-e-os-intervie...

https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/2040887784253141142

Murena is explicitly not on the side of people wanting protection from authoritarian surveillance by governments. Fairphone supported Murena's inaccurate claims when contacted by the media and their employees regularly participate in it. This is what they choose to market as private and secure:

https://nitter.net/GrapheneOS/status/2081837057433915603

Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by g8425 »

I purchased a Fairphone 6 thinking I was going to solve a lot of issues I had with more popular phone models. This has not been the case. I think that when all is said and done, Fairphone will have done more to hurt the concept of device repairability than help it.

Examples: Within a month of purchase, the little upper speaker grill/mesh sticker fell out. Now this is why I bought a Fairphone - a few clicks, a few days wait and a few screws later and I can easily replace it... not the case. They wanted me to warranty/send in my phone for a sticker replacement on "the world's most repairable phone." Not a great first impression.

Another system update they shipped bricked my sim card. No support, no help, just me with a permanent fear of installing any updates in the future.

Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by stymaar »

hokumguru wrote: post #28
stymaar wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately it looks like it's not just a issue of missing hardware security features: > Their partnership with Murena along with promoting it themselves with misleading marketing means no possibility of working with us. I want to like GrapheneOS, but the pettiness of its leadership is a real problem for the long term prospect of the project.

Is it pettiness or just sticking to their morals? Murena, as they mentioned, forwards data to OpenAI which is against pretty much everything Graphene stands for.

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Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by teekert »

grapheneos wrote: post #216
bitwize wrote: post #212

grapheneos when?

Fairphones have awful updates, privacy and security. They don't provide crucial hardware-based security features needed to have working encryption for the vast majority of users not using a strong passphrase. They don't provide what's required to have decent protection from remote attacks either. Their devices don't provide important driver and firmware updates we need to have for each supported device. Fairphones en…

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