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A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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I have no exposure to connectomes - or really anything quite like this (as opposed to good ol’ fashioned perceptrons) - so forgive my following uninformed question: Can someone explain if this software is ethical?

If your circle of empathy includes fruit flies, fuck no, we murdered so many of those guys to figure out how their tiny brains work.

If you do not think of fruit flies as moral patients, sure, yeah, who cares, they're like just fruit flies you know?

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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Oh nice, might use this to create some art for my home.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DMfi-9Vsl-u/

> Infinite Pain is a computer running a deterministic neural simulation of a microscopic nematode worm’s brain (c. elegans), subjected to regular pain stimuli.

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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I appreciate the open source approach over the startup's sensational claims. This is more transparent. That said, I think it still presents itself as if the fly is being controlled by the connectome, when (if I'm reading the source correctly) it's more accurate to say scripted behaviors have been hooked up to be triggered by the connectome. Put another way, you might as well have the "escape" trigger open a YouTube v…

I would argue that this is pretty disingenuous (as is most connectomics research I suppose) since its implying we have a fully wired connectome of the fly thats actually meaningful.

Why isn't it and what do they have? I'm not really informed on this stuff.

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

#24

I have no exposure to connectomes - or really anything quite like this (as opposed to good ol’ fashioned perceptrons) - so forgive my following uninformed question: Can someone explain if this software is ethical?

> Can someone explain if this software is ethical? Probably not. People have been coming up with ethical frameworks for thousands of years and we have yet to come to a consensus. So it’s very unlikely that someone can say conclusively whether this is ethical or not, because that would require us to either 1) prove a single ethical framework is correct and then apply that framework to this software or 2) prove that un…

Genuinely curious, is there like a simple list of competing ethical frameworks?

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can someone explain if this software is ethical? Probably not. People have been coming up with ethical frameworks for thousands of years and we have yet to come to a consensus. So it’s very unlikely that someone can say conclusively whether this is ethical or not, because that would require us to either 1) prove a single ethical framework is correct and then apply that framework to this software or 2) prove that un…

Genuinely curious, is there like a simple list of competing ethical frameworks?

Not to drop any spoilers (hide this comment before reading further ....)

But "The Amazing Digital Circus" explores this concept relating to human brain scans, and how the 'simulated' brains would react under simulation.

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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post #12

I appreciate the open source approach over the startup's sensational claims. This is more transparent. That said, I think it still presents itself as if the fly is being controlled by the connectome, when (if I'm reading the source correctly) it's more accurate to say scripted behaviors have been hooked up to be triggered by the connectome. Put another way, you might as well have the "escape" trigger open a YouTube v…

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Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can someone explain if this software is ethical? Probably not. People have been coming up with ethical frameworks for thousands of years and we have yet to come to a consensus. So it’s very unlikely that someone can say conclusively whether this is ethical or not, because that would require us to either 1) prove a single ethical framework is correct and then apply that framework to this software or 2) prove that un…

Genuinely curious, is there like a simple list of competing ethical frameworks?

There’s a list here, not sure if it’s the best one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative_ethics

Re: A 3D fruit fly on macOS desktop powered by the real FlyWire connectome

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At some point in the future would it be possible to simply download a DNA sequence of an entire animal as a "ROM" and boot it into a virtual "reality"?

What detail level of reality would we have to emulate for an egg to grow into an adult animal?

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