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Re: Cursor launches Origin, GitHub alternative

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Post by LelouBil »

darccio wrote: post #287
LelouBil wrote: post #64

I really hope more people would use Tangled ( https://tangled.org/ ) You get: - Self hosting your git hosting (if you want) - Self hosting your issues/PRs (if you want) - Self hosting your CI (if you want) - Github-like social features (I have one account, I can follow, star, add issues and PRs to any repo on tangled) It's built on ATProto, so even if the company disappears, all of the integration and features will s…

Just to clarify, when you say "self host issues/PRs" is it mostly "self host a knot"? I kind of expected something similar to what you can do for CI but I'm not able to find any docs regarding self hosting issues and PRs outside of Tangled itself.

Oh I meant that as part of tangled, you can "control" your issues and PRs because they are on ATProto and just like any ATProto record can be hosted on any PDS you like and still be interoperable.

But after looking a bit more into it, they are still following the same model as Bluesky in that the author of an issue or comment or PR is the owner of the resource, and it lives on their PDS, but they are considering changing that (and I hope they do it soon) by having the record be created on the repo PDS (so the knot basically) and a pointer record on the user's PDS proving they are the author.

ATProto has all that's required to do so, so I hope they do it soon, they are still in alpha after all but I find the interoperability very promising because you can have independent code hosting regardless of the opinions of forge X (which I think is the main reason why people move away from GitHub), but still be a part of an interoperable ecosystem that acts just like it is a single platform.

Re: Cursor launches Origin, GitHub alternative

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Post by AgentME »

LelouBil wrote: post #64

I really hope more people would use Tangled ( https://tangled.org/ ) You get: - Self hosting your git hosting (if you want) - Self hosting your issues/PRs (if you want) - Self hosting your CI (if you want) - Github-like social features (I have one account, I can follow, star, add issues and PRs to any repo on tangled) It's built on ATProto, so even if the company disappears, all of the integration and features will s…

Is non-self-hosting available for all of those things on Tangled? I don't want to run my own CI but I do want CI. I couldn't figure out if it was available last time I looked at Tangled.

Re: Cursor launches Origin, GitHub alternative

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Post by LelouBil »

verdverm wrote: post #313
LelouBil wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understood. You can still get a feature complete social experience that is NOT ISOLATED from anyone. Your GitHub Enterprise comparison is wrong, because with an onprem github entreprise you don't have the social github features (and that's the whole point of tangled, use something else if you want a private forge for your company, it's not for this purpose) My point is, Tangled being on ATProto, you…

atproto is not the next thing, there will be more social protocols to come tangled will struggle to have private repos that align with user expectations for RBAC, atproto ACL permission proposal is insufficient, Bluesky is not interested in alternative proposals, the centralization of atproto is most prominant in who has write permissions to the repos

While private repos are usefull, I do not think that is tangled's main proposal at all.

I am just thinking you do not like tangled because you don't use the social features of github and so don't see the point here. I can understand that, but then tangled is just not for you ?

And yeah ATProto is not the next thing, but IMO having a portable identity and services that can act as "one big single app" are requirements for a modern social protocol to do applications like Twitter,Instagram, and github's social features for example, ATProto is just the one that does it better imo for now.

But again since you are always bringing on private repos, I think tangled is just not for you since the ATProto model is for open data and so fits open source projects really nicely I think.

Re: Cursor launches Origin, GitHub alternative

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Post by spiderfarmer »

jpadkins wrote: post #293
spiderfarmer wrote: post #131

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Just the association with Musk will mean no EU company should use Cursor or its products.

why?

Do you not follow the news?

Among many other things he has openly suggested that the EU should be abolished and national sovereignties restored and donated to parties that tow that line.

Re: Cursor launches Origin, GitHub alternative

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Post by LelouBil »

icy wrote: post #171
verdverm wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangled is forcing some of their particular technologies (nix/rust) on users for those pieces and that is a hard sell. I don't use those techs, so I'm not interested to use a platform that I need to learn them to use. fwiw, the main site also seems to be down right now, infinite spinner. Docs and blog are loading though

> Tangled is forcing some of their particular technologies (nix/rust) on users for those pieces and that is a hard sell. I don't use those techs, so I'm not interested to use a platform that I need to learn them to use. Tangled CEO here. How are we pushing Rust exactly? :D Nix, yes but you don't really need to touch it at all with our Alpine-based CI images. We have been under heavy load the past day or so, we're wor…

Hi since you are here, I find tangled amazing and I really hope it succeeds.

Since you are here, do you have any updates about the issue of issues and PRs living in the author's PDSs and not on the knot ? (Which also acts as the repository's PDS if I am not mistaken)

    >  As time goes on we are re-assessing the idea of users owning what is "collaborative data" (issues, PRs, etc.) on their PDSes - soon may come the day that an issue also lives on the knot as a source of truth, with an accompanying pointer record on user PDS to attest that it's theirs.

Re: Cursor launches Origin, GitHub alternative

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Post by cryo32 »

mejutoco wrote: post #262
cryo32 wrote: post #256

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Yeah. I just don't really like git. The user interface is dog shit, merging is nasty, it's really easy to blow your own toes off and it's generally horrible. The only reason it got anywhere was github.

That must have been why the used it to manage the linux kernel, because of github /s

It's painful if you have to work with it and mortals, not kernel devs.

Re: Cursor launches Origin, GitHub alternative

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Post by cryo32 »

trollbridge wrote: post #319
cryo32 wrote: post #256

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Yeah. I just don't really like git. The user interface is dog shit, merging is nasty, it's really easy to blow your own toes off and it's generally horrible. The only reason it got anywhere was github.

Okay, well, nothing’s stopping folks from using hg, P4, svn, CVS, RCCS, MS Visual Source Safe, ClearCase, or who knows what else.

Sometimes you get told what to use. And I am free to dislike it :)

Re: Cursor launches Origin, GitHub alternative

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Post by icy »

verdverm wrote: post #313
LelouBil wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understood. You can still get a feature complete social experience that is NOT ISOLATED from anyone. Your GitHub Enterprise comparison is wrong, because with an onprem github entreprise you don't have the social github features (and that's the whole point of tangled, use something else if you want a private forge for your company, it's not for this purpose) My point is, Tangled being on ATProto, you…

atproto is not the next thing, there will be more social protocols to come tangled will struggle to have private repos that align with user expectations for RBAC, atproto ACL permission proposal is insufficient, Bluesky is not interested in alternative proposals, the centralization of atproto is most prominant in who has write permissions to the repos

> tangled will struggle to have private repos that align with user expectations for RBAC, atproto ACL permission proposal is insufficient, Bluesky is not interested in alternative proposals, the centralization of atproto is most prominant in who has write permissions to the repos

This isn't entirely true because we're working on our own extensions to the protocol that will enable full-fledged RBAC at a knot/repo level. We're not beholden to PBC and AT Protocol; when needed, we're OK to roll custom bits.

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