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Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

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Re: Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

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I did not know who that person was, but you seem to be saying none of his opinions could possibly be right?

I'm saying don't cite a neo-nazi if you want to be taken seriously, not that complicated

I think people should not use the word nazi so liberally if they want to be taken seriously; it's not that complicated either ...

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Could this be because US gov healthcare spending takes place mostly via Medicare, which is specifically for people 65+?

Per capita stats are computed based on population, not per treatment or per person eligible for treatment. The US spends more per head on giving only a fraction of them subsidised healthcare than other nations manage on universal health, [more years of] education, [more generous] welfare payments etc. Some of that is down to medical professional salary discrepancies, but some of it is down to a terrible system...

>"Per capita stats are computed based on population, not per treatment or per person eligible for treatment. "

Your point is correct, but since the majority of healthcare spending occurs in the last 18 months of life, and the vast majority are on either Medicare or Medicaid during that time of their life (either due to age or ailment-related incapacity), it doesn't make a huge difference.

Re: Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

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Yeah, and they all generally get there by paying practitioners much less than the US does (by integer multiples). Single-payer, which this working paper equates with "universal coverage", is in fact not the norm among universal systems; besides using Medicare to ration the supply of practitioners, the original sin of our system is employer-based coverage, not payer structure. Health care is an absolutely massive indu…

Why do doctors need to be paid integer multiples more in the US than every other country on earth? This is not rhetorical, I mean it sincerely. And I’m aware that medical debt is a big issue, but it seems like a chicken-or-the-egg type problem. Of course you can charge $500k for a medical degree when the doctor can make it back and then some in 5-10 years.

Nurses are also highly-paid in the USA (relative to other developed countries), and they make up a large part of the wage expenditure in the system. This may not make a difference to your point, but it is important to note that doctors are not the whole problem.

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There are a lot of people making a lot of money on the inefficiencies of the US system. They won’t give up their revenue streams without a fight, and they are filthy rich on the backs of sick people. You better believe they will play dirty.

Aside from war, there is likely no other place where one class "winning" means so certainly that countless others are dying.

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>Hospitals have an operating margin of 2-5%. I don't see you complaining that the US military has a low operating margin, so maybe we can just agree that some things are just normal expenses for a population. Which therefore leads to step 2: nationalize every single hospital. >cutting salaries for doctors/nurses/etc Considering that over 50% of the money that goes into healthcare is just siphoned off by middlemen, no…

Every country with nationalized healthcare systems has lower wages for clinicians. So the notion that this wouldn't lower salaries is just ludicrous. That might be an acceptable trade-off but let's not pretend it doesn't exist. In practice what we would see under a single-payer system is that many doctors would opt out and shift to a cash payment model. So the shortage of doctors would get even worse for patients who…

Those countries also just have lower salaries for all sectors. The USA is just exceptional in salaries for many professionals. Just look at software engineers pay in Europe Vs US....

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They don't! It's a huge problem! It's probably the problem in US health care, which, despite my own belief that single-payer is bad policy, is in fact a total shitshow.

I think there's also the gamified confusion of over how much goes to the physician versus how much goes to administrating orgs and liability coverage.

We have numbers for this, we don't need to derive them axiomatically. Practitioner compensation is the largest component of health provider spending. Liability coverage is the second largest component of admin spending, which is 25% of provider spending.

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There are a lot of people making a lot of money on the inefficiencies of the US system. They won’t give up their revenue streams without a fight, and they are filthy rich on the backs of sick people. You better believe they will play dirty.

this is a great example. What a horrible human...

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article...

Re: Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

#729

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Why do doctors need to be paid integer multiples more in the US than every other country on earth? This is not rhetorical, I mean it sincerely. And I’m aware that medical debt is a big issue, but it seems like a chicken-or-the-egg type problem. Of course you can charge $500k for a medical degree when the doctor can make it back and then some in 5-10 years.

because in the us everything is integer multiple times more expensive

No, that's not why. Doctors also make drastically more than the median wage. Doctors make so much in the US because we have artificial scarcity of doctors.

Re: Universal health coverage could save $1T and 114k lives a year: study

#730
Pretty obvious...

This is why almost every wealthy country and most middle income countries and many poor countries have universal health Canada,UK, Australia, almost every European country, Cuba, Costa Rica, Kyrgyzstan, Sri Lanka, and Rwanda.

There are a few minor weird oligarch run kleptocratic exceptions like America, but in the global context they are irrelevant.

Universal health care by country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care_by_count...

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