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Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by saturn8601 »

newsy-combi wrote: post #87

A friend had the Fair Phone 4. It broke after a year. Hostile customer support, not worth her time. Idk. Stories of "good guy" indie companies who drop you as soon as you fell for their marketing keep piling up. It may be greed, short sightedness or an incompetent understanding of what it means to have customers, the results are the same. See Framework for another example of this.

Supply Chain is hard, Apple is the pro at it. Small companies struggle. Who are the founders? Are they experienced in hardware? They are doing something ambitious (keeping old stuff in stock costs money).

Just checked, as of now all the Fairbud parts seem to be out of stock defeating the entire purpose. Maybe they will get more stock once the sales kick off.

Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by handedness »

fsflover wrote: post #161
handedness wrote: post #159

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'You may be interested in this $800 product.' 'I'm not interested.' 'Here's why you should be.' What you call activism, others call shilling: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49324418

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Also, this link is hilarious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47312790

I missed that at the time. I'm flattered that you elevated me to strcat's level, as if your two links are remotely comparative. I'm just a dude hoping to find a viable way out of this tech duopoly hellscape on a reasonably viable and high-performing stack.

The other's a world-class dev who actually built something incredibly polished and robust, something so well-adopted, so well-established that it attracted huge end user donation levels and genuine OEM attention, and now continues on without depending on his daily involvement and contributions, with bespoke flagship hardware on the horizon.

You made my day. Thanks. Have an upvote.

Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by drnick1 »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #10
mrbluecoat wrote: post #3

"[GrapheneOS] lost most interest in that hardware due to the poor way privacy, security, updates and marketing based on these things has been handled." https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/28825-is-there-any-chance-o...

I'm sure their concerns are valid but just because GrapheneOS don't consider the Fairphone to meet their standards for security doesn't mean it is not worth considering for other people who may have different priorities. Fairphones have certain advantages over Pixels such as better repairability and more ethically sourced labour/components. IMO it's good to see the Fairphone do well (and I hope GrapheneOS's partnersh…

The Graphene devs can be a bit obsessive about security, but with a starting price above $600, I think the average user is probably better off with a Pixel 10a bought on sale closer to $300. The stock Fairphone OS seems to include Google services, which is kind of surprising and at odds with the focus on user control and all that.

Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by fsflover »

handedness wrote: post #170
fsflover wrote: post #166

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They really probably aren't going to get lifetime updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. They can't even get timely updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. It's great that the OS is open source, it really is. But all bits going out over the cellular radio are handled by proprietary firmware, same as every other phone out there. Educate me: Is there a way to know when the modem's firmware needs upda…

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Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by [deleted] »

handedness wrote: post #172
fsflover wrote: post #161

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Also, this link is hilarious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47312790 I missed that at the time. I'm flattered that you elevated me to strcat's level, as if your two links are remotely comparative. I'm just a dude hoping to find a viable way out of this tech duopoly hellscape on a reasonably viable and high-performing stack. The other's a world-class dev who actually built something incredibly polished and robu…

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Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by dnautics »

gruez wrote: post #134
dnautics wrote: post #14

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i dont get it, they are comparing eOS to graphene, not talking about the hardware. this would be like grapheneOS not using pixel because the stock android that ships with it does not respect privacy. am i missing something?

You still need to rely on the OEM to properly configure the bootloader, not leak the keys, and provide updated vendor blobs.

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Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by BearOso »

fsflover wrote: post #147
Fnoord wrote: post #143

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Not just significantly weaker. The Librem 5 uses the Cortex-A53 low-end ARM designs from 2012, and that particular NXP chip is not among the better implementations. The 3GB of RAM is anemic and becomes a greater restriction as time goes on. Many features simply haven't been implemented (most of the sensors) and those that have been that are technically difficult (i.e. camera) provide only a bare experience.

If we're honest about it, the Librem 5 is not something to use as your main phone, it's a toy to experiment with.

Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by dnautics »

Cider9986 wrote: post #80
stymaar wrote: post #22

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Unfortunately it looks like it's not just a issue of missing hardware security features: > Their partnership with Murena along with promoting it themselves with misleading marketing means no possibility of working with us. I want to like GrapheneOS, but the pettiness of its leadership is a real problem for the long term prospect of the project.

>I want to like GrapheneOS, but the pettiness of its leadership is a real problem I used to feel a bit similarly. But I've since realized they are one of the very few software projects that actually make sensible privacy and security choices.

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Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by pizzaiolo »

commoner wrote: post #7

Exciting to see this soon after someone got the Fairphone 6 camera working on postmarketOS: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49338285 The 6+ is a different model, but the announcement says the camera module is the same.

Luca Weiss (Fairphone employee and pmOS dev) has confirmed on the wiki that the FP6 image also works on FP6+: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/index.php?title=Fairphone_%28G...

Re: Fairphone is now officially available in the United States

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Post by handedness »

fsflover wrote: post #174
handedness wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They really probably aren't going to get lifetime updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. They can't even get timely updates to their modem's closed-source firmware. It's great that the OS is open source, it really is. But all bits going out over the cellular radio are handled by proprietary firmware, same as every other phone out there. Educate me: Is there a way to know when the modem's firmware needs upda…

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What about patching security vulnerabilities? Privacy enhancements?

How would I know when the firmware needs updating? How can I find when it was last updated?

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