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Jews owned miniscule amount of land before deciding to steal the rest. 1624 km2 or around 6% of total. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine#Land_owner... Just because you're running from war or genocide does not give you any rights elsewhere. Also in 47' jews were not running from anything but poverty and fears of the future. There was no genocide anymore.
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A lot of Jews in the Polish Ghettos were pretty extremist.
> A lot of Jews in the Polish Ghettos were pretty extremist. The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising were not going around killing German civilians.
German authorities specifically used the guards to prevent movement between the ghetto and the rest of Warsaw.
Sounds familiar - as I said, history rhymes.
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> Not at all obviously. Israel is committing a genocide. This is not really a matter of discussion... you think several parts of the UN, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, the international association of genocide scholars, the international federation for human rights, Human Rights Watch, the Hague Group, the governments of Ghana, Malaysia, Mexico, China, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Spain, Ireland, (and do…
>> China > Because they would be the ones to know?[1] > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin ... Just so I understand correctly, are you implying here that you consider the persecution of Uyghurs a genocide?
Based on the publicly available evidence I would consider it to potentially be genocide, certainly it's more plausible than the accusations against Israel since China isn't at war with the Uyghurs from my understanding.
However keep in mind International law requires Dolus Specialis(special intent) for something to be considered Genocide which is a very high bar. Note that war crimes or crimes against humanity alone would be insufficient to reach that bar.[0]
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> A lot of Jews in the Polish Ghettos were pretty extremist. The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising were not going around killing German civilians.
Warsaw Ghetto was sealed off in November 1940 by a wall more than 10 feet high, with barbed wire and guarded gates. German authorities specifically used the guards to prevent movement between the ghetto and the rest of Warsaw. Sounds familiar - as I said, history rhymes.
France was sealed off in 1938 by a line of concrete fortifications, obstacles and weapon installations called the Maginot Line.
> German authorities specifically used the guards to prevent movement between the ghetto and the rest of Warsaw.
French authorities specifically used the guards to prevent movement between Germany and the rest of France.
> Sounds familiar - as I said, history rhymes.
Sounds familiar - as I said, history rhymes.
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Therefore it is ok to commit genocide, ethnic cleansing and steal land two generstions later? Israeli leadership is as fascist as it gets. Openly so.
If that ethnic group assembles a military group that invades your border and slaughters 1200 of your people in 1 day, then retaliation is expected. FAFO. But I suspect you know nothing about Jews besides social media. Next thing you’ll say we’re not native to that land right? We only lived in the middle east forever, but our food is cultural appropriation too, right?
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Not at all obviously. Israel is committing a genocide. This is not really a matter of discussion... you think several parts of the UN, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, the international association of genocide scholars, the international federation for human rights, Human Rights Watch, the Hague Group, the governments of Ghana, Malaysia, Mexico, China, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Spain, Ireland, (and doze…
Nations and organizations with known old pre-existing political/religious animosity towards Israel do not count as valid opinions on the matter.
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Not by a single lunatic operating from their bedroom.
The whole hysteria about 'fake news' 10 years ago was apparently an outrage against the public being duped, whereas is was in fact frustration that spreading fake news has been democratised.
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> If you think having a particular ethnicity in charge is equivalent to endorsing genocide, you miiiiiight be a little bit racist. The democratically elected government of the Palestinians in Gaza(Hamas) has for a long time quite openly advocated for effectively genocide Jews/Israeli's, it's not racist to simply believe that Hamas is telling the truth in regards to what their end goals are.
I'm not sure what meaning you can ascribe to this kind of statement, because whilst it is factually true in isolation, it also omits so much information it's almost meaningless. There's plenty of evidence that the Israeli government is composed of people with a similar outlook, just with a power imbalance that affords them the opportunity to be more politically sophisticated. History rhymes - I'm pretty sure that Jew…
Israel does have some problems with extremists getting elected but that's partially due to the proportional representation system making it easier for extremists to get elected without widespread support from the population.
> I'm pretty sure that Jews in the Polish Ghetto had pretty negative views about the people detaining them there. Do you hold that against them?
Were the Jews in the Polish Ghetto terrorizing/murdering random German civilians? I'm sure they had a very negative view of the Nazi's but it's not a particularly comparable situation as the Jews were being exterminated regardless of their actions.
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No one is comflating war with genocide, but people need to stop pretending that the existence of a war contradicts the existence of a genocide.
> No one is comflating war with genocide Anyone claiming Israel is committing genocide is quite obviously conflating the two.
That there were wars going on at the time does not make it any less of a genocide.