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Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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My partner cried the other day because her long-planned PC upgrade is now an order of magnitude more expensive than she budgeted for pre-AI-boom.

Order of magnitude? It's 10x more expensive now?

That’s honestly plausible with RAM and SSDs, the same kits of RAM I spent around $50 on years ago were being scalped for $500+ because there was absolutely no supply.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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Of course everyone hates AI. For most people, it's actively making their lives worse, not better. AI is a really effective technology when used with restraint, in appropriate places. But it's rarely being used with restraint, and it's being inserted just about everywhere. If you're trying to work in AI on a product related to education, you've got a really high bar to clear to prove that you're actually helping stude…

What I find interesting is the contrast between the West and China here. Most people in the West expect that AI will make their lives worse in some way. Meanwhile, 84% of Chinese are excited about this tech, and expect that it will be used to make their lives better. it's a really vivid contrast between the way new technology becomes integrated into each type of society. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-0…

I think it's more about institutional trust than the technology itself. AI could be a great common good in the west, but look at the companies and politicians controlling its development. The notion that trump/elon/altman/zuck/etc would choose to deploy this in a way that helps the general good at the expensive of massively enriching themselves as much as possible is laughable to most people.

Of course this is going to be deployed in the most exploitative way possible. When have these people ever done differently? Elon just spent most of last year gleefully destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. I'm sure he'll get right on developing a model to solve world hunger next...

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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Of course everyone hates AI. For most people, it's actively making their lives worse, not better. AI is a really effective technology when used with restraint, in appropriate places. But it's rarely being used with restraint, and it's being inserted just about everywhere. If you're trying to work in AI on a product related to education, you've got a really high bar to clear to prove that you're actually helping stude…

You also have to answer why, if the AI project pans out, we would care about education. We have mechanical muscles, and the human strength that was needed before the industrial revolution is no longer important; weight lifters still strength train, but it's a hobby, and nobody needs to do it. We're building mechanical brains, and the human thought that was needed before the intelligence revolution is no longer import…

This is the quality of thought that I come to HN to experience because I have a hard time finding it in other places.

The amount of assumptions about what it might mean to "think" coupled with a seeming obliviousness to those assumptions is quire masterful.

The dumbest people making the most confident statements about thinking...

I love it.

I am going to print it out so that when my great-great-grand kids are hunting angus beef on the plains of what used to be the US they will have some understanding of how the late 21st C version of a Butlerian Jihad came to be.

This is beautiful and I hope that all you folks actually do stop thinking even harder than you already have, because it might liberate the rest of the humans from the Torment Nexus v3.0 you folks seem so dead set on rolling out post haste.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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I know far too many AI haters myself, and even though I understand many of their concerns, there are many things I really struggle to agree with. I entered the workforce with AI already in my hands, and in my experience, the benefit is enormous. I don’t feel that it has weakened my way of thinking. My mind works very well, and AI often helps me bring my creativity, logic, and ideas to life that would otherwise require much more time to develop.I believe AI is now one of the driving forces of modern industry, and it is not going away. The sooner we accept that, the sooner we can focus on the issue that really matters: how we decide to use it.In the end, it is a tool. It can be used in a mediocre way, by delegating everything to it, or it can amplify what we know how to do, help us create, reason, and push ourselves further. It is also up to the user to decide what kind of relationship they want to have with this tool. And that is exactly why, even though I don’t share all of your concerns about AI, I strongly support your decision to return to the industry and try to build a different way of using it. I think we also need people who are critical of AI but still choose to work with it and contribute to giving it a better direction.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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> Then you need to quit confusing simplistic pattern matching for logic. Details matter, as do degree and scale. But that's the core problem of AI fanatics, isn't it. They cannot comprehend how people who saw and used the same thing they did, and came away with "this smells like fancy autocomplete" instead of "this is genuine intelligence!"

But nobody who uses Fable and Sol all day is saying that it's fancy autocomplete. Also, nobody is saying it's genuine intelligence. As always, the Internet fails to find the middle ground. Frontier models are really useful software engineering tools, not AGI, and not tab completion. To me it feels a lot like using a new programming language, like going from assembly to a Lisp machine or something like that.

> But nobody who uses Fable and Sol all day is saying that it's fancy autocomplete. Also, nobody is saying it's genuine intelligence.

There are lots of people saying both. You are correct there is also a middle ground, but both these opinions are held by many people.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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I don't think your premise is true. Remember John Henry, worried that the steam engine would put him out of a job drilling holes in rocks? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_(folklore) Ludditism has a long history, and they made the exact same arguments about job loss in the 1800s as today.

You should look up the history of what actually happened with the Luddites. They weren't opposed to the machines (many were even machine operators!), they were opposed to the manufacturers circumventing labour rights . Turns out people don't like routinely seeing 12-year-old children getting scalped by a weaving machine! They targeted the machines because it was the most convenient way to sabotage a factory, not beca…

What actaully happened to the luddites is they completely failed in their goal to slow down the industrial revolution and force business owners to pay their cartel.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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What I find interesting is the contrast between the West and China here. Most people in the West expect that AI will make their lives worse in some way. Meanwhile, 84% of Chinese are excited about this tech, and expect that it will be used to make their lives better. it's a really vivid contrast between the way new technology becomes integrated into each type of society. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-0…

I think it's more about institutional trust than the technology itself. AI could be a great common good in the west, but look at the companies and politicians controlling its development. The notion that trump/elon/altman/zuck/etc would choose to deploy this in a way that helps the general good at the expensive of massively enriching themselves as much as possible is laughable to most people. Of course this is going…

I completely agree, how technology is applied ends up being an expression of how a particular society is organized.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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Of course everyone hates AI. For most people, it's actively making their lives worse, not better. AI is a really effective technology when used with restraint, in appropriate places. But it's rarely being used with restraint, and it's being inserted just about everywhere. If you're trying to work in AI on a product related to education, you've got a really high bar to clear to prove that you're actually helping stude…

You also have to answer why, if the AI project pans out, we would care about education. We have mechanical muscles, and the human strength that was needed before the industrial revolution is no longer important; weight lifters still strength train, but it's a hobby, and nobody needs to do it. We're building mechanical brains, and the human thought that was needed before the intelligence revolution is no longer import…

> We have mechanical muscles, and the human strength that was needed before the industrial revolution is no longer important; weight lifters still strength train, but it's a hobby, and nobody needs to do it.

The amount of strength required for the median job may have decreased, but that doesn't mean that nobody needs to do it. The health ramifications of not strength training are constant, and the same can be said for using (or not using) our brains.

Re: My friends all hate AI; I just joined an AI startup

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You also have to answer why, if the AI project pans out, we would care about education. We have mechanical muscles, and the human strength that was needed before the industrial revolution is no longer important; weight lifters still strength train, but it's a hobby, and nobody needs to do it. We're building mechanical brains, and the human thought that was needed before the intelligence revolution is no longer import…

> We have mechanical muscles, and the human strength that was needed before the industrial revolution is no longer important; weight lifters still strength train, but it's a hobby, and nobody needs to do it. The amount of strength required for the median job may have decreased, but that doesn't mean that nobody needs to do it. The health ramifications of not strength training are constant, and the same can be said fo…

You can say that, but check how many people are going to the gym regularly, let alone training up to the standard of strength of an average manual laborer from before the industrial revolution.

If AI fills its promise, some people will be telling others they should think more, but people will get lazy.

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