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Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by trollbridge »

6DM wrote: post #140
dgellow wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there anything that can legally be done against this? It feels like a breach of consent. Like, it cannot be that when one accept their voice to be recorded for _human_ training they also accept it to be recorded for LLM training

Your comment reminded me of a funny interaction I had a week or so ago. I got a call that started with the usual automated message, "This call is being recorded." After the person joined, I pushed the record button on my iPhone, "This call is being recorded." They were surprised and asked why I'm recording. I said, "You're recording, so I'm recording too." The rep insisted that the company doesn't like this but that…

Next time, announce you’re recording right after they do, when it’s still in the automated prompts.

Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by SoftTalker »

akersten wrote: post #284
missedthecue wrote: post #267

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Because airlines don't -and can't- promise incident free travel. They promise to get you to your destination. They don't like engine problems and the domino effect that has on their routing any more than you do. Saying this as someone with over a million miles flown, I've seen the worst sides of airlines. But let's be real, their slim margins cannot support bonusing out every passenger with a sob story about getting…

> They promise to get you to your destination. Critically they promise "by a certain time" as well. Surely with so many miles you are aware of the "significant disruption to my travel plans" aspect to getting compensated for a service that they failed to deliver. Plane crews timing out on the tarmac at midnight forcing everyone aboard to lose a day of travel is not a "sob story" it is a systemic and purposeful optimi…

Crews "time out" due to regulations governing duty hours, not airline policy. Many things can delay or disrupt travel, including weather, mechanical problems (which to a degree may be on the airline but random failures happen too), closures or bad weather at your destination, or at other airports that are creating a backlog of diversions at your destination. It's unreasonable to expect that even the best-intentioned airline can avoid all of that all of the time.

Travel insurance is can be purchased for situations where a delay or canceled flight would create unusual costs for the traveler.

Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by charlieyu1 »

reorder9695 wrote: post #364

I wonder how this is treated in terms of consent (at least from a GDPR perspective in the EU), even if I gave my data to Spirit, I did not consent to it being shared with Google unless they explicitly said they would share it with that partner and I agreed. Surely they can't just retroactively change the scope of consent for data sharing?

But who will be held liable? The defunct company?

That’s why I’m all against age verification, face recognition etc. The only way to not leaking data is not giving away the data in the first place.

Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by throwaway2037 »

DanielHB wrote: post #175
RajT88 wrote: post #148

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I would not be offended by the blood donation thing. They generalize based on administrative regions (Amazonas in this case) and not whether you visited a big developed city or not. I had a similar blood donation issue for visiting a particular island in the Philippines, and could not donate for 4 months.

It is funny there is no similar treatment about TBE (tick disease) which is predominantly an European disease and very dangerous and much more common than Malaria is in most (all?) South American countries... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick-borne_encephalitis

This page explains it is active in Central Europe all the way east to Eastern Russia and China. Ref: https://www.cdc.gov/tick-borne-encephalitis/data-maps/index....

Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by Forgeties79 »

frollogaston wrote: post #369
embedding-shape wrote: post #4

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Ah, but Google promised to remove PII they found in this deidentified dataset, so worry not. > If you’ve flown Spirit and worry that Google will soon know about a testy conversation you had with the airline’s call center, you’re being told not to worry. The court filing says the data was deidentified before being put on sale and Google has promised to scrub any PII it finds in the trove.

Honestly would trust Google more than any other entity to de-identify the data properly.

With their army of lawyers? Absolutely not. Guarantee you they’ve already prepped a response along the lines of “someone else was supposed to take care of that before selling it to us we can’t be held accountable for it.”

Re: Google has acquired the data of failed US airline Spirit

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Post by [deleted] »

l3x4ur1n wrote: post #189
6DM wrote: post #140

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Your comment reminded me of a funny interaction I had a week or so ago. I got a call that started with the usual automated message, "This call is being recorded." After the person joined, I pushed the record button on my iPhone, "This call is being recorded." They were surprised and asked why I'm recording. I said, "You're recording, so I'm recording too." The rep insisted that the company doesn't like this but that…

What is actually perfect, when the automated voice declares the call is being recorded, you don't have to do it again. You're legally allowed to record, because both parties were informed already and agree to it.

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Post by pants2 »

jbstack wrote: post #304
dopamean wrote: post #243

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I'll never understand this attitude toward airlines. What did you want them to do in this situation? Keep flying the plane with engine issues so you could make your important meetings? It sounds like the airline did the right thing here but you were still mad?

I'll flip this around and say I've never understood why an airline is viewed as a special case. In the general case, if you enter into a contract and pay for a service, then don't receive that service, you're entitled to sue the service provider for your losses. For example, if I turn up to a hotel I booked only to find that the room isn't available, I'm entitled to sue the hotel for my cost in finding a reasonable l…

This would require airlines underwriting the value of the meetings that you might miss and pricing their services accordingly. I imagine an airline would never sell a flight to CEOs on their way to board meetings, or actors on their way to filming a big budget movie.

You can absolutely find someone willing to sell you insurance on whatever you need for a price, but the airline isn't in the business of insuring the value of your meetings.

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Post by cadamsdotcom »

akersten wrote: post #284
missedthecue wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because airlines don't -and can't- promise incident free travel. They promise to get you to your destination. They don't like engine problems and the domino effect that has on their routing any more than you do. Saying this as someone with over a million miles flown, I've seen the worst sides of airlines. But let's be real, their slim margins cannot support bonusing out every passenger with a sob story about getting…

> They promise to get you to your destination. Critically they promise "by a certain time" as well. Surely with so many miles you are aware of the "significant disruption to my travel plans" aspect to getting compensated for a service that they failed to deliver. Plane crews timing out on the tarmac at midnight forcing everyone aboard to lose a day of travel is not a "sob story" it is a systemic and purposeful optimi…

> they promise "by a certain time"

Better call your AI company for a refund. That my friend was an hallucination and you've been promised no such thing.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

DanielHB wrote: post #162
alistairSH wrote: post #145

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I'm sitting here chuckling because you felt the need to post this. Your points are valid. And there probably are plenty of Americans who needed the correction. But still.

I have a german last name, do you know how often people outside Brazil act weird when they learn I am Brazilian? My grandparents came to Brazil right after WW1 way before the Nazis came to power. High ranking Nazis fled to south america because there were a lot of germans living there already. Nearly all german people who moved to south america did it way before WW2. I just run into this stuff a lot living in Europe.

    > I have a german last name, do you know how often people outside Brazil act weird when they learn I am Brazilian?
I am surprised by this in the 2020s. Supermodel Gisele Bündchen is probably the world's most famous German-heritage Brazillian. She has been famous for at least 20 years.
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