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Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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Awesome! There are so many cool things we could be doing with our phones if they weren't locked to a single OS

Genuinely curious, like what cool things?

Just of the top of my head:

Running Firefox with uBlock.

Installing any app I want, not just the ones Apple allows.

Faking GPS data to hide my location from spyware that "requires" location permissions

(To be fair, you can do these on Android "for now", but Google is actively working hards towards the more locked-down Apple "experience")

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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By "Linux phone", what are your expectations exactly? Because if you talk "only" about the userspace, I have been daily driving Ubuntu Touch since 2019 on a Fairphone 2 and then a Pixel 3a and it is working like a charm. But it is using halium so you still have an Android kernel. So if you also talk about the kernel then yeah Postmarket OS is the closest to this and quite good on Fairphone already, I think some peopl…

> Then if you talk about 100% free software then indeed, nothing with a working modem is available as far as I know Librem 5 runs an FSF-endorsed operating system, i.e., it's 100% free software in the OS.

Now you're just being intentionally deceptive.

Please stop brigading here.

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By "Linux phone", what are your expectations exactly? Because if you talk "only" about the userspace, I have been daily driving Ubuntu Touch since 2019 on a Fairphone 2 and then a Pixel 3a and it is working like a charm. But it is using halium so you still have an Android kernel. So if you also talk about the kernel then yeah Postmarket OS is the closest to this and quite good on Fairphone already, I think some peopl…

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You know that's not precisely what they meant.

Please stop brigading here.

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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post #71

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I suppose it would be relatively slow and how too little memory to be usable for programming, for example.

You know, we used to develop on computers with less than a Gig of RAM. A phone with 6/8/12 GB should be plenty enough to to do some development on. Or even less if you don't need to compile. Seriously, you can run the windows version of GTA V on a phone. It runs pretty ok as well.

I have no troubles compiling most stuff on a phone with 3GB RAM. I even worked on Mesa on it once when I was too lazy to set up cross-compilation. I only struggled with OOMs on some Rust apps so far (and I haven't even had zram set up sensibly back when I tried them, so maybe these would work now).

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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post #65

I feel the votes and excitement in this thread aren't from people with a Fairphone 6 or PMOS. From the PMOS wiki: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_(Gen._6)_(fairp... : > No internal speakers or microphones are currently working. Media sound (not calls) is working if connecting a Bluetooth or USB audio device. I got a Fairphone 6 last year, after having a OnePlus 7 Pro which I bought in 2019 and still work…

> I really, really wish Fairphone was better, but the entire company experience is so janky for how expensive the products are. Fellow Fairphone user here & I don't really understand this comment. Why did you buy a Fairphone? As far as I can understand, the main reason anyone would buy a Fairphone is because they want a fair(er) phone. That "fairness" involves reducing profit-driven exploitation - there's an implicit…

Sorry, I strongly disagree with what you're saying here, and I think you're part of the problem. I bought a fair phone because I believe treating people and things fairly genuinely leads to a better output over time - it should, and it hasn't with Fairphone.

I'm not trying to have my cake and eat it, to extend your analogy, we both had the cake, we've both eaten it - it's the same cake. I'm saying I appreciate the cake was fair, I appreciate the staff were paid well, I appreciate good fair ingredients were used, I'm glad I bought the cake, I know why I did, because it aligns with my ethos.

All the necessary things that went into an average cake - and more - have been put into this cake. My point here is I don't understand why it tastes worse than the average cake. Based on my view of the world, it should taste at least as good as a regular cake, because it has more money, at least similar quality materials, and should have higher quality, more passionate labour involved.

I feel like you don't understand my comment because you've taken personal offence to me providing critical feedback about the taste of your favourite cake. I like your cake vendor, and the cake vendor cause. This is why I want them to succeed, which is why I provide the honest feedback.

If you say you can do something well, it just needs money and fairness, and people give you money and fairness, and you don't do the thing well... that's not really fair.

Re: Fairphone 6 and PostmarketOS working main camera

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post #65

I feel the votes and excitement in this thread aren't from people with a Fairphone 6 or PMOS. From the PMOS wiki: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_(Gen._6)_(fairp... : > No internal speakers or microphones are currently working. Media sound (not calls) is working if connecting a Bluetooth or USB audio device. I got a Fairphone 6 last year, after having a OnePlus 7 Pro which I bought in 2019 and still work…

There are definitely trade offs with Fairphone but it's unfair (no pun intended) to compare them with a company like Google without mentioning their strong points. Fairphone does focus on having a better social and environmental impact, this comes as part of the price. It does also focus on repairability which also comes as part of the price. If those are things you do not specifically value (which is fine), that def…

They're fair points. I do respect their ethos and what they're trying to do, that's why I hope they have more success than they're having at the moment. I do want to give equal weight and time to that. But at the end of the day, I'm buying a modern phone, it needs to behave like a modern phone.

FWIW, my understanding is the FP6 seems to be notably less successful and "just works" compared to earlier models.

It isn't really slow. It takes average pictures, and sometimes loses them. It regularly does annoying little freezes and bugs.

The FP6 has average spec, average performance, more bugs than average, worse/slower support than average (at least on their own forums) and a higher price than average.

I believe fair stuff done right should be at least as good as average, and I'm fine to pay more than average for that. When I pay more than average and get less than average, and looking like they're ignoring/avoiding problems in their own forums, that feels as though someone isn't being very fair towards their customers.

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