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Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Interesting, as we increase our total global power consumption, losses in the form of heat will increase proportionally.

This is more of a zoning problem

"...downwind air temperature warming as high as 2.2 °C, with average downwind air temperatures 0.7–0.9 °C warmer than corresponding upwind areas. Thermal signatures were detectable at distances up to 500 m from facility perimeters"

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

#32

The whole data center heat/water thing is like not even in the top 100 risks/issues related to AI, but it's all people seem to care about. Why is that?

Industry build-out in the USA? It's raising our energy and water costs.

Lack of industry build-out in the USA? We're losing our industrial base to the Chinese.

Social media always promotes the angry take because that's what maximizes engagement, so everything that happens (or doesn't happen) is always bad. Doesn't matter what it is. Everything is bad and we're all gonna die. Better keep scrolling to find out more!

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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post #27

The whole data center heat/water thing is like not even in the top 100 risks/issues related to AI, but it's all people seem to care about. Why is that?

Because these new data centers were built near people's homes.

Right, but even then, why would we not discuss noise pollution?

The water figure folks cite is wildly manipulated, it really confuses me why a known piece of misinformation is so routinely used. Water usage for global data center cooling is under 30B gallons of water. You only get to the 300B number by including the estimated water required for the power generation. Data centers are the only technology where we include estimated water usage for power generation under general water requirement. And even with that fudging, global water usage by data centers is a magnitude less water than just the leaky pipes in the United States.

There are much stronger points to be made without resorting to misinformation. I think points around zoning + noise pollution is something that everyone, besides our most ardent AI stan, can get behind. Every pro-ai person I know are all pretty happy to say that data center should not be built in residential zoning

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

#34
Using energy always raises nearby temperatures since all energy becomes heat. If any facility is using 36 MW of electricity, then 36 MW of heat is going to be entering the environment somewhere. Though I think what's interesting here is that the effects of this extra heat is highly localized to urban areas.

But just trying to say this isn't data center specific. A steel mill with 36MW of electric arc furnaces is going to release the same 36MW of heat into the general environment.

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

#35
I cannot figure out if this data center panic is legit or trumped up. There are legitimate nation-state and political entities that would love to create pressure for degrowth in this area. And, pollution and natural resources are a concern, yes, fine, sure. NIMBY happens, I get it ...

*BUT*, we've been building huge data centers for decades and they are minuscule compared to the size of the earth. My skeptic meter maxed out when i saw a Tesla with a "End Data Centers" bumper sticker on it. This is just the latest popular panic, isn't it?

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

#36

The whole data center heat/water thing is like not even in the top 100 risks/issues related to AI, but it's all people seem to care about. Why is that?

It's much more tangible for your average person than circular financing deals or chip supply constraints. And unfortunately social media is an amplifier for tangible misinformation.

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, I'll be putting big data ai machine learning data center in your back yard.

No one has ever built a full datacenter in someones backyard...

gives a whole new meaning to 'vertical integration'

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Chinese and Russians didn't double my electricity rates this year.

Neither did the data centers. Datacenters use less than 5% of US electricity. https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.19777

Reading only the abstract: "We estimate that data centers caused average retail electricity rates to fall modestly in the United States from 2015 to 2024 using an instrumental variables approach... We caution that future supply constraints could reverse the effect."

I've only heard about datacenter protests in the past 2 years. So perhaps what the authors warned about is happening now?

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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so now we are speed-running global warming there are now record setting gas turbine sales instead of solar/nuclear * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk8ziQCWK1w and for what? so we can have totally useless "AI" customer service agents where you still have to demand to talk to a human to properly get a problem solved

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how about the non-stop methane burnoff for months ("flare") from all the oil fracking fields in the US that can be seen from SPACE for the past DECADE

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/10/20/ameri...

* https://science.nasa.gov/earth/earth-observatory/gas-drillin...

that's already raising the local area temps, why not put that wasted fuel to work instead?

build the datacenters literally next to the fracking fields, absolutely no-one there to complain, they all moved away already from the toxic air/water and there's already unlimited fuel

Re: Field measurements of neighborhood-scale air temperature impacts of data centers

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I cannot figure out if this data center panic is legit or trumped up. There are legitimate nation-state and political entities that would love to create pressure for degrowth in this area. And, pollution and natural resources are a concern, yes, fine, sure. NIMBY happens, I get it ... *BUT*, we've been building huge data centers for decades and they are minuscule compared to the size of the earth. My skeptic meter ma…

It's just the outrage story of the month. There will be some new moral panic in September and we'll all move on. The attention span for topics like this on social media is quite short.
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