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Post by frollogaston »

gosub100 wrote: post #471
enaaem wrote: post #379

Despite the efforts, I have seen an increase in anti-zionist sentiment on the internet. Most notable on the right from people like Tucker Carlson en Candace Owens. People are tired of fighting another Middle-Eastern war for Israel.

The left and right are noticing and agreeing on this issue.

Not really. Republican party is 99% owned by Israeli lobby. I used to say it's both sides, but recent House and Senate bills relating to this have been way more partisan than ever before, like the one that would merge parts of the US and Israeli military passed House with almost 0 Dem votes.

One interesting comparison, the Twelve Day War against Iran in 2025 had Democrat support. Despite their rhetoric, they voted to give Israel huge emergency funding. But they're truly voting against the 2026 Iran War.

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Post by alt227 »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #697
js8 wrote: post #346

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I don't think you understand what I mean by public social graph. What I mean is that anybody could publish or withdraw statements of two forms: - "I, owner of account A, certify that owner of account B is human." - "I, owner of account C, have a reason to trust/distrust the certification of account A about account B." The collection of these statements would be the public social graph. The social graph would then be…

Totally would not be abused. Don’t like politican/journalist/etc A? Let’s just mass report as fake person.

Exactly, the 'social graph' is also a huge source of cancel culture.

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Post by starik36 »

watutalkinbout wrote: post #690
starik36 wrote: post #637

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I am from Eastern Europe and people here "assumed" a lot of things about Jews way before Israel was even a thing. Let's not pretend Eastern Europeans would have loved Jews if it weren't for "Israel".

Yes, but within Eastern Europe acceptance of Jews is generally higher than acceptance of Muslims, based on polling. Many non-Israeli Jews view Israel's actions as abhorent, particularly younger Jews. Being associated with Israel over the last few years must be a very uncomfortable place to be.

> Many non-Israeli Jews view Israel's actions as abhorent, particularly younger Jews.

And this comes of your own polling? As a non-Israeli Jew, I've seen quite the opposite. They closed ranks in the face of an external threat, especially the younger ones. Ignore Hollywood and Hannah Einbinders of the world - that is not the reality.

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Post by dragonwriter »

jameshilliard wrote: post #693
handoflixue wrote: post #663

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If you think having a particular ethnicity in charge is equivalent to endorsing genocide, you miiiiiight be a little bit racist.

> If you think having a particular ethnicity in charge is equivalent to endorsing genocide, you miiiiiight be a little bit racist. The democratically elected government of the Palestinians in Gaza(Hamas) has for a long time quite openly advocated for effectively genocide Jews/Israeli's, it's not racist to simply believe that Hamas is telling the truth in regards to what their end goals are.

> The democratically elected government of the Palestinians in Gaza

There's no such thing: the separate authority in Gaza was produced by Israeli military isolation of the separate parts of Palestine nominally administered by the PA, and how that facilitated Hamas local victory there in the intra-Palestinian civil war against the central government.

Also, the elections that were won by Hamas candidates before that were before most currently living Gazans were born, much less eligible to vote, and subsequent elections have not been held because Israel blocked the all-Palestine elections agreed to by Hamas and Fatah, so even if the “government of Palestinians in Gaza” were simply a direct result of those elections, which it is not, it would hardly be the “democratically elected” by those currently governed.

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Post by frollogaston »

karim79 wrote: post #195

I'll say this a third time. And the importance of this article is not the method. It is the motive. Using AI to whitewash war crimes is not cool at all. Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly. On television. So it is both hilarious and disturbing that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like the aforementioned is out in the open f…

Well, whatever works. If it also works for some counterparty like Citizens against AIPAC Corruption, they should do it too.

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Post by boxed »

forestrywat wrote: post #598
boxed wrote: post #589

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You can defend yourself without genocide. You can imprison people without raping them. It turns out there's more options between give up and scorched earth.

I mean, you presuppose a genocide. A lie repeated is still a lie though. All wars are not genocides. Just because we now can see the suffering doesn't make it a genocide (and especially not because of all the fake suffering, like the people "freezing to death" in 20 degree celsius, or that pulitzer prize winning photo of a child with an unrelated disease, etc).

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Post by boxed »

nervai wrote: post #597
boxed wrote: post #587

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And the 40% of American Jews who believe Israel is a genocidal state [1]? Are they motivated by bipartisan Jew hatred as well? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/06/jewish-am... [1]

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Post by jameshilliard »

forestrywat wrote: post #598
boxed wrote: post #589

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You can defend yourself without genocide. You can imprison people without raping them. It turns out there's more options between give up and scorched earth.

> You can defend yourself without genocide.

People also need to stop conflating a war with genocide.

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Post by giov4 »

yonixw wrote: post #588
jabron wrote: post #577

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Who is saying that? And by acknowledging that the land was bought pre-war you're also acknowledging that the (explicitly colonial) Zionist project pre-dates the Holocaust. So it has nothing to do with "nowadays", that was more than 100 years ago.

The commenter referenced 1947. And said from nowadays PERSPECTIVE about THAT time that it's a "bigoted state project". I just reminded them that the project got its population (50%+) from Jews that ran for their lives. So his NOWADAYS perspective about that time is crazy. As from the first moment, it was about protecting Jews. The only other alternative at the time was the US, but with limited immigration after WW2,…

about immigration I found interesting learning that:

- before 1948, zionist agencies only allowed young fit pioneers and wealthy persons to immigrate. used a strict selection process that excluded sick, elderly, and poor.

- 1950, law of return, "immigration open to all jews", in reality filtered by early state authorities and the Jewish Agency that did exercise administrative, medical, and practical prioritization favoring ablebodied pioners or youth in certain periods, while being overwhelmed by the influx of impoverished refugees and holocaust survivors.

- socioeconomic situation forced the state to prioritize young, healthy, and productive immigrants due to resource constraints.

- the selective immigration (Aliyah Borer) involved officials prioritizing healthier family units during the massive 1950s migration waves.

- cultural and social hierarchy biases led the Ashkenazi establishment to place Mizrahi and Sephardic immigrants into peripheric areas and transit camps.

and after learning this, you understand that there was and there always will be discrimination and imho that's often the result of selfishness.

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Post by boxed »

jackb4040 wrote: post #602
boxed wrote: post #587

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There is nothing in the world more antisemitic than Israel's insistence that they represent all Jews while gleefully committing a genocide

I mean.. there are many things more anti-semitic of course. Like the Bondi Beach shooting for example. Or you know... the holocaust.
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