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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by forestrywat »

gosub100 wrote: post #661
forestrywat wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that's true, but the proportion of people is wildly different. Every leftist I know is anti genocide, and sees Gaza and the West Bank as unconscionable. Some may then take that to antisemitism (rather than simply opposing Zionism). On the right, though? I expect you see a lot more antisemitism leading to "what positions can I express to cloak my blatant antisemitism..."

That fails to explain why trump and other far right pundits are calling Tucker a terrorist for loudly decrying the genocide and the actions of Israel.

Did I say all, anywhere in my post? What in my post suggests that the left or the right is a monoculture?

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Post by eth0up »

fudgy73 wrote: post #223
eth0up wrote: post #31

Why I think this is unusually important: All four frontier models have active contracts with the Pentagon. And some might say, that alone means little. But when you take into consideration the implications of the United States-Israel FUTURES Act, whether one endorses it or not, the effects of that mentioned in TFA become quite formidable, and plausibly official. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Israel_FUTU…

I don't think Anthropic has an active contract with the Pentagon. [0] - https://breakingdefense.com/2026/05/pentagon-clears-7-tech-f...

I am really sloppy today. For now, see this" https://www.highergov.com/contract/HQ08832590014/

I am confident I will find higher quality material soon. But if not, we can allow you to be acknowledged as to having corrected me on a technicality. But I would urge honest readers not to consider this the only potential connection point here, nor an accurate model for future arrangements. I would bet all I have that you will see closer and more intimate connections and operations between the two, or at the very least, other directly related contractors, eg Palantir, etc. And all other three of four have active contracts along with much discussion on closer ties in the future. In my opinion, that is the future, and I have been saying such since 2024, on the record.

Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by giov4 »

forestrywat wrote: post #598
boxed wrote: post #589

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You can defend yourself without genocide. You can imprison people without raping them. It turns out there's more options between give up and scorched earth.

on point, I agree, I think that's also what mainly worries people and tend them to realize how aggressive and violent the attitude is.

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Post by eclips0 »

rcpt wrote: post #651
eclips0 wrote: post #467

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> "No one is doing it as much as Israel does" How could you possibly know that? Do you have any numbers that put Israel's efforts into perspective, compared to those of other countries? This is not a good faith argument whatsoever.

Mearsheimer & Walt (2007): The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy This is the standard source on the topic. They compare the dynamics vs other countries like Russia

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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by giov4 »

Fizz43 wrote: post #372
miohtama wrote: post #218

The result of all this is that everyone will hate Israelis, and then thus by proxy, Jews more. The right thing to do would be to stop slaughtering Palestinians. People are not stupid.

Not true. It will only happen if they lose the information war. During 2023/2024 Iran did this exact same thing flooding the internet and no one hates them infact it worked and people link and share and boost their articles.

well then, maybe we should ask ourself why the hate! both against the propaganda (that everybody does, even if it's a very poor claim to say they all do it why hate us) and against the bomb to the ground war and genocidal violence happening.

Why the hate against this if everybody else does it? and everybody else does it is a decent argument?

Maybe we could do war without killing all civilians and razing cities to the ground?

but why do we have to do war? or why do we need to defend ourself?

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Post by giov4 »

herbst wrote: post #503
toasty228 wrote: post #221

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> The result of all this is that everyone will hate Israelis Will? I don't know in which circle you evolve but that ship sailed a long time ago

European here with little political knowledge. I thought Israel is just some kind of liberal safe space, I am still sometimes confused what it appears to really be but try to avoid having a strong opinion either way.

same thoughts, but appears to be unavoidable now.

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Post by magic_hamster »

luckjack47 wrote: post #217
magic_hamster wrote: post #203

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The real quote seems to be not about Hamas, the comment you are replying to seems correct https://www.ft.com/content/f6b953fc-a6ad-48cd-bed1-d42619b57...

Please read my edit.

The quote is definitely about Hamas, PIJ and other militant groups in Gaza.

To reiterate, I don't support Ben Gvir. But I also strongly oppose disinformation which seems to be the case here.

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Post by giov4 »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #624
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #406

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It's legitimately weird to see anybody defend them, as the immorality is out in the open. The past few years have really opened my eyes to the nakedly tribal nature of democratic politics. Polybius was largely correct when he said that it inevitably degenerates into oligarchy or mob-rule -- but what's especially unfortunate is that the US and Israel appear to be getting both at the same time: A naked oligarchy with j…

I don't view Ben Gvir's rise to a position of powers as a product of democracy, as much of a product of artificial states, neocolonialism, ethnostates, and apartheid. More directly, his rise to power is a direct result of the financial support of Israeli settlements over the past century which could not have existed in the absence of such financial support: settlers were paid to live in a specific strategic locations…

illuminating thanks for sharing this point of view.

funny that recently I came to a similar conclusion regarding power structures being corrupted anyway at the end, independently from the starting political form, is like we humans tend to be corrupt and violent at the end.

how many "democracies" are currently at war? or are doing violent covert or non covert operations/strategies? who controls that?

"I think it's upon us - all of humanity - to denounce artificial states, neocolonialism, ethnostates, and apartheid. They are founded on principles that are misanthropic, asocial, and unhumanitarian. They have always led to an immense amount of suffering. But they are not inevitable, termination mode of democracy."

this is gold, we can close the conversation here :)

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Post by Brendinooo »

giov4 wrote: post #652
Brendinooo wrote: post #610

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>putting random questions everything I posted was in response to you; nothing is random. >confused informations Just saying they're confused is meaningless; if you think I am wrong about something, feel free to give actual rebuttals. >tentative This word is defined as "not certain or fixed; provisional" or "done without confidence; hesitant". It is an adjective, not a noun. I genuinely do know know what you mean when…

please stop trolling and provoking. a statement like this is clearly on purpose: >a tentative of misinformation >>What does this mean? claiming not knowing what tentative means in english is clearly on purpose and could anyway be translated if it was a language problem. again here: >tentative >>This word is defined as "not certain or fixed; provisional" or "done without confidence; hesitant". It is an adjective, not…

>please stop trolling and provoking.

That is not my intent.

I have spoken English my whole life and have never heard anyone use "tentative" as a noun. Why must you assume I am trolling, why can you not believe what I am saying? Is it possible that you are using the wrong word? It seems noteworthy to me that you did not actually answer my question or provide a definition for how you are using, you chose to assume bad faith on my part instead and use that as a basis to dismiss the actual arguments I made.

That said, I would be happy to stop arguing about the word "tentative". I would much rather you engage with the substantive arguments that I made.

>the repeated statements clearly confirms your negative intention

What repeated statements? If it's important to you for understanding then pick something that I repeated and I can try to explain.

> ::your three list items::

These are just repeating of arguments that I made and offered responses to. You have chosen to not respond to them.

Let's pick one and try again:

> The article clearly explain the information poisoning

If you search the article for "poison", there is exactly one reference: "Others refer to this practice of influencing artificial intelligence as 'LLM poisoning.'" The word "refer links to an article by Anthropic that is categorically unrelated. Go read that article and answer: does their definition of "poisoning" match what the author of this post means?

I would say no: the article says "malicious actors can inject specific text into these posts to make a model learn undesirable or dangerous behaviors, in a process known as poisoning", and then follows up with an example of "introducing backdoors". That is very different than whatever the Hanover Institute site is doing.

If you would prefer to argue substance, answer me that: did the author cite that paper correctly? I am saying "no" and have given a reason, what is your response?

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Post by AngryData »

bawolff wrote: post #166
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #58

I suspect that this kind of tactic is going to be everywhere in a year or so. Entire fake personalities and organization websites on the Internet created just to push a narrative or to advertise a product, which completely drown out real information. At some point they may be indistinguishable from human-produced work, so the only way to verify if a site is someone's genuine opinion or AI-generated narrative is throu…

Propaganda is not a new thing. It might look slightly different on the internet, but it doesn't look that different. Creating organizations to push a narrative was just as much a thing 100 years ago as it is now.

Yeah, the fact that people think propaganda is some kind of new thing shows just how far down the rabbit hole we already were.
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