The 1877 El Niño killed millions. We have better tech now, but also more people and more fragile supply chains. Not sure which side wins
Are you asserting that supply chains in the year 2026 are more fragile than in 1877?
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Re: Super El Niño Keeps Growing as New Forecasts Reach Record Territory Ahead Winter
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> No, every one participates. Ordinary people the most That is just straight up not true. The tribal elder in the Amazon, who's forest capitalists are burning down never got asked how he defines value. The child not yet born was never asked if it's atmosphere should be heated up for data centers. Neither was the fish in the river or the river itself for that matter. > what do you mean by rivers, glaciers or others no…
How exactly can you ask an unborn child, a river or a glacier what it wants? Did the Yugoslav dictator ask Kosovars what they want before violently oppressing them?
That is precisely the point - you can't! I'm glad we got to this shared understanding in the end.
So I'd appreciate if we stopped pretending the market did, when it fails to account for anything that's not somebody with money.
How could it possibly assign "value" that way?
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It isn't. And surely, you know that as well. Then why this farce? Ideological commitment?
A country that can't provide basic goods like bananas and coffee, needs to send millions of it's people to another country so they can survive, represses minorities and political dissidents, has Lukasenko type of dictator for life as president and finally bankrupts and violently disintegrates with a genocide is a definition of a failed state. I do ideologicaly oppose to such a system to be revived, it would be crimin…
What are you even talking about? We were talking about approaches to the climate crisis and you responded by denying it even exists and going on long rants about Lukashenko's bananas?
Could you please be a bit more constructive and solutions-oriented?
The rivers are drying out. I'm sure you saw the news. Can we please not derail this to talk about your pet topic? The Cold War is over, move on. We got our own problems in the 21st century.
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#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
The argument that small countries don't matter in the equation is silly. There are ~200 countries, of course on average your country will be less than .5% of emissions. Thinking .5% is small enough to do nothing is exactly the kind of thinking that leads us to inaction. So yeah, china and the US need to get their act together, but so does every other country.
Come on, don't throw out decades-old lazy arguments like that. Everyone with above room-temperature IQ understands the concept of energy use per capita, and also that most other developed and developing countries take climate change seriously and have been reducing or capping their emissions for years . What is the point of wagging your finger at a non-existent problem like this?
I'm not so much talking about developing countries, but more like UK, France, Germany etc.
Developed countries hiding behind the fact that their contribution is small. Of course it's small...
For context in France we regularly hear about how France is responsible for only less than a percent of global emissions. That's specifically what my argument is against.
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I am describing a region under broad famine. You are describing problems with government cheese, with directing food to means-tested registered impoverished people who live alongside the wealthy & fat. "Folks who weren't the intended recipients" - the residents of the region were the intended recipients. Literally the first people who make it to the truck and (hopefully) form a line, is how it's usually done. What's…
> You are describing problems with government cheese, with directing food to means-tested registered impoverished people who live alongside the wealthy & fat. No I'm not. Your characterization is wrong too. Poor people tend to be more overweight than the wealthy and also receive more food aid. > I am describing a region under broad famine. Sure whatever, but describe how the rest of the world (not the US) should solv…
Is the local power structure not allowed to charge taxes? Would we rather bomb the whole place into rubble than allow them to feed the hungry?
Yes. The answer is yes.
See also: Welfare queens, a cartoon specter of a moral hazard, the opposition to which is so important we must simply end welfare.
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#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You are describing problems with government cheese, with directing food to means-tested registered impoverished people who live alongside the wealthy & fat. No I'm not. Your characterization is wrong too. Poor people tend to be more overweight than the wealthy and also receive more food aid. > I am describing a region under broad famine. Sure whatever, but describe how the rest of the world (not the US) should solv…
Is the local power structure not allowed to charge taxes? Would we rather bomb the whole place into rubble than allow them to feed the hungry? Yes. The answer is yes. See also: Welfare queens, a cartoon specter of a moral hazard, the opposition to which is so important we must simply end welfare.
> Is the local power structure not allowed to charge taxes?
Yes the local power structure is allowed to charge taxes, or taxes by other means.
> Would we rather bomb the whole place into rubble than allow them to feed the hungry?
Maybe we just don't do either and decide to do other things?
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#397Earlier quoted context omitted.
A country that can't provide basic goods like bananas and coffee, needs to send millions of it's people to another country so they can survive, represses minorities and political dissidents, has Lukasenko type of dictator for life as president and finally bankrupts and violently disintegrates with a genocide is a definition of a failed state. I do ideologicaly oppose to such a system to be revived, it would be crimin…
What are you even talking about? We were talking about approaches to the climate crisis and you responded by denying it even exists and going on long rants about Lukashenko's bananas? Could you please be a bit more constructive and solutions-oriented? The rivers are drying out. I'm sure you saw the news. Can we please not derail this to talk about your pet topic? The Cold War is over, move on. We got our own problems…
Again you brought it up.
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#398Earlier quoted context omitted.
How exactly can you ask an unborn child, a river or a glacier what it wants? Did the Yugoslav dictator ask Kosovars what they want before violently oppressing them?
That is precisely the point - you can't! I'm glad we got to this shared understanding in the end. So I'd appreciate if we stopped pretending the market did, when it fails to account for anything that's not somebody with money. How could it possibly assign "value" that way?
So which economical system enables us to talk to inanimate objects or unborn babies, since you think this is a fault of capitalism?
You have a deep misunderstanding of markets and capitalism!
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I agree the US isn't the only country but I believe at that time we had the resources and clout to make green energy research happen everywhere and export our successes. We were still a global leader at the time both politically and technologically, especially where energy was concerned. And the world certainly took notice and set back the movement when the largest polluter per capita repeatedly signalled it had no i…
> to make green energy research happen everywhere and export our successes China won there because they can build things, they are also built 60+ nuclear reactors over the past decade. That's the main difference between them and the west. It's not a lack of government grants for green R&D. They made renewable energy affordable for both themselves and others... by allowing industry to operate efficiently and affordabl…
Really? California represents the entirety of the US's technology R&D capacity? Ironic that I'm supposed to read that as an indictment of California's governance...
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Nuclear was also kneecapped by FUD and astroturfing, and we didn't properly fund renewables because Republican administrations were in the pockets of big oil. Did you know GM made a fully viable electric car that people loved back in the 90s? Setback after setback, all self-inflicted, people pretending we have these insurmountable hurdles all over the place. Pathetic for an empire that prides itself as a champion of…
> Did you know GM made a fully viable electric car that people loved back in the 90s? 105m range on nimh which rapidly degrades isn't a fully viable car and a maximum of 1000 people "loved" it considering that's all they made. GM is in business to make money. They didn't cancel a car that was a viable product.
Uh huh and that's why people offered to buy their cars back and instead of selling them back GM destroyed them? Because they weren't viable?