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Re: Israel creates fake think tank in likely attempt to dupe AI chatbots

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Post by jabron »

modo_mario wrote: post #335
choo-t wrote: post #229

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> Israel has been defending itself against for 78 years in both the physical and informational domain, and will continue to do so, just like any other country on earth. Of course we could argue any country try to defend itself, but an ever expanding bellicose colony stealing lands from adjacent countries is hardly what could be described as a "defending" stance. > People need to wake up to the one-sided lies of the a…

How would you envision the end of the state?

Similar to apartheid South Africa's with more returning of ancestrally owned land I reckon.

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Post by modo_mario »

choo-t wrote: post #508
modo_mario wrote: post #335

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How would you envision the end of the state?

Depend of the state, could be internal turmoil (revolution), peaceful change with new constitution and ideal, or external force imposing change (like Germany post-WW2, being split between alors).

No i mean like. How do you picture the end result?

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Post by choo-t »

codingisfreedom wrote: post #272
elzbardico wrote: post #258

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You don't start an international terrorist movement, bomb british colonial authorities, use money to influence british colonial authorities, create armed miliciais and massively finance migration to a land that is owner by other people, kill and expell them by violent means from their cities, homes and farms, use your influence to force the UN to partition the land giving the majority and the best land for you, and t…

By owned by other people you meant the Ottomans, right? Cause they seemed to be just fine selling that land. Also “ignoring the partition”? Literally the day the partition was adopted, the Arab league attacked Israel. 6 nations to 1, yet Israelis outsmarted them all (which is why you keep hating us). Read more here (not TikTok) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War

> Literally the day the partition was adopted, the Arab league attacked Israel.

Because the partition was forced upon them. If a foreign entity forced you to split your land you will fight back too.

> which is why you keep hating us

Oh, of course, they hate you because you are so smart. Seem you (singular) suffer from a superiority complex.

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Post by buellerbueller »

throw10920 wrote: post #561
buellerbueller wrote: post #537

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Hell, those folks react in horror at literally quoting the n-word as written in "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn."

Use-mention distinction is lost on a lot of people. It's a useful test for whether someone is reacting to a word (e.g. "damn") out of pure emotion and conditioning, or whether they're acting rationally.

Never heard the name of that concept before (though obviously am aware of it). Thanks for enlightening me today!

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Post by underdeserver »

brikym wrote: post #437
miohtama wrote: post #218

The result of all this is that everyone will hate Israelis, and then thus by proxy, Jews more. The right thing to do would be to stop slaughtering Palestinians. People are not stupid.

People lap up whatever they see. Their influence on media works and is nothing new.

Whose influence?

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Post by thisislife2 »

throw310822 wrote: post #247
Georgelemental wrote: post #126

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The "Washington Institute for Near East Policy" is another big one

MEMRI is the US non-profit organization that provides translations from Arabic for the Western media: "MEMRI was co-founded by Israeli ex-intelligence officer Yigal Carmon and Israeli-American political scientist Meyrav Wurmser in 1998. MEMRI describes itself as being independent and non-partisan. Some critics have described MEMRI as aiming to portray the Arab world and the Islamic world in a negative light by produc…

That explains a lot! Yesterday, I came across this article - Outrage In Oman Over Trump's Threat To Bomb The Sultanate... - https://www.memri.org/reports/outrage-oman-over-trumps-threa... and posted it on HN. But then, I had second thoughts as I had never heard of MEMRI and a scan of the website revealed a lot of antisemitic content and in general poor quality, tabloid like "hyped" up articles. The website also had no 'About Us' page that highlighted who runs it. All this made me suspicious and I immediately deleted the posted link on HN.

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Post by jabron »

yonixw wrote: post #560
megous wrote: post #495

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There's also supposed "UN watch" which is another innocuous looking Israeli front meant to sow confusion into decades long UN's attemmpts to deal with the mess jewish terror gangs in Palestine created by stealing massive amount of land from Palestinians in 1947-48 for their bigoted state project.

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Who is saying that? And by acknowledging that the land was bought pre-war you're also acknowledging that the (explicitly colonial) Zionist project pre-dates the Holocaust. So it has nothing to do with "nowadays", that was more than 100 years ago.

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Post by eth0up »

refulgentis wrote: post #118
eth0up wrote: post #31

Why I think this is unusually important: All four frontier models have active contracts with the Pentagon. And some might say, that alone means little. But when you take into consideration the implications of the United States-Israel FUTURES Act, whether one endorses it or not, the effects of that mentioned in TFA become quite formidable, and plausibly official. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States-Israel_FUTU…

The FUTURES act has nothing to do with LLM development. You’re not being censored, we can read your posts. I generally agree with your views and right to ask questions, but you’re clearly not being censored and all you’ve presented is that a bunch of separate entities all connect to the US gov’t. Even if we assume all of them are connected, it would clash with the facts we’re discussing, namely, why would Israel both…

I am trying to understand your points. But claiming there is no direct nor potential relation here is a new way of thinking for me, and I am struggling to compartmentalize. If we have:

1. https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/hya411vqezg

2. https://www.wsj.com/politics/israels-50-million-experiment-t...

3. https://www.wired.com/story/super-pac-backed-by-openai-and-p...

4. https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-funded-465m-camp...

We can see that at least some sources are covering the topic of using AI to influence the public on political topics, which regardless of any particularly nation, suggests there is an active interest in manipulating the epistemic integrity of AI systems for purposes of biasing outputs.

And please allow me to make something very clear: I do not care who, nor what is influencing the output of AI, so long as the output is as close to honest as possible, and so long as the the process behind the arrival of final output is the result of the systems doing unhindered work and applying probability over programmed bias. This is the whole point for me. My own research has shown, repeatably, that institutional capture is becoming a repeatable and well established factor behind LLM output on certain topic areas.

The Futures Act integrates military intel, from directed energy weapons (read the docs) to cyber and notably, AI. < Yes, AI. That is the very topic under consideration here. Claiming that it has "nothing to do with LLM development" is potentially an enormous stretch of common sense. We see, already, the US government aiming to become deeply involved in pre-release vetting. Assuming that's the end of the story seems too improbable to me.

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

rbanffy wrote: post #516
aa-jv wrote: post #284

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They view certain components of "The West" as their enemy - indeed, the very organizations which conduct the same operations against the Russian people.

There are no enemies - they are competing parts - competing for popularity, resources, power. This makes it possible to negotiate. Enemies don't, but competitors are a lot more pragmatic.

Anglo-/Western and Russian governments have been strategic rivals for more than two centuries. Britain repeatedly sought to limit Russian expansion that threatened its own interests, such as routes to India, access to Caspian oil resources, etc.

See also, the Great Game and the Eastern Question.

They’re enemies because they want each others stuff. Russia has a LOT of stuff that the British would be quite happy to ‘manage’.

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Post by hightrix »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #406
danmaz74 wrote: post #398

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And he is a minister in Israel's government, not some rando. Israeli governments and actions in the last many years are simply indefensible.

It's legitimately weird to see anybody defend them, as the immorality is out in the open. The past few years have really opened my eyes to the nakedly tribal nature of democratic politics. Polybius was largely correct when he said that it inevitably degenerates into oligarchy or mob-rule -- but what's especially unfortunate is that the US and Israel appear to be getting both at the same time: A naked oligarchy with j…

I’m genuinely surprised they aren’t here in this thread doing exactly that. The defenders pop up in every corner of Reddit any time anything related is mentioned. That there isn’t a similar effect here is quite interesting.

Edit: I should have scrolled down more first.

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